I will keep everyone in the loop. I have had several PMs already. I didnt mean to get so many people excited.

Anyways. The car i am looking at is boxster RUF 3800 s. Which is essentially a 987 boxster with a 911 engine in it, tuned up to 425hp. The wife autocrosses a cayman now and I autocross the BRZ. But i figured i would sell the BRZ after next season and get my own cayman. But this 3.8 conversion is almost my ideal car. In theory at least. So i have to go drive it and see if its the one. My first ax season i drove a miata. Last season was thr BRZ. A cayman or vette was going to next. But this boxster could be the best of both worlds and the price is affordable in the upper 20's.

I still havent found all thr potential in my BRZ. But i have a real thing for mid engine cars.

Bad ass. A dream car is a dream car. I hope it works out for you. Strangely I'll be in Dallas this Sunday. Let me know if you get it.

So the kit is sold. I had an offer I couldn't refuse. It was a very good price. So that would assume I bought the new Porsche. Nope, I was so sure I was going to. Then I got such a good offer on the kit, I didn't hesitate...and I sold the kit.


Well I made out on the kit. But, unfortunately the car didn't turn out to be the right one. It was fun to drive, but my search will continue. I am going to up my budget a little bit and keep on looking.


But, I still say the kit it is a great way to add easy, fun to these cars. I hope everyone here on the waiting list gets theirs as quick as possible. Enjoy it.
After having two BRZs, its time for me to move on and graduate to a different car on the track. But I will still stop in from time to time.

Hey guys, have a couple of questions. Sorry if they've been asked but I don't really want to read through ten pages of posts.

1) First of all, I realize that this isn't intended to compete with a "true" FI application. However, given the relative ease of install, I'm interested. Now, I've done a bit of a peruse on their website, but I'm not totally convinced of the numbers being put down. Does anyone have their own dyno sheets?

2) Any guys using the OFT for tunes? oops, upon reading first post more closely, I have my answer

3) If you could go back in time, knowing what you know now after owning this SC kit, would you buy again, or would you go with a full blown SC or turbo kit?

4) I'm still kind of skeptical, but this seems like it may be the best option for me personally. I use my car as a daily, don't have too many plans to track or go fast. Just looking for that bit of extra "ooomph". Will this kit give me that?

1. Yes, others have dyno'd...numbers are on first page. Numbers are real.
2. Pretty much all of us are on OFT tunes
3. No. You'll probably be pretty well informed by the time you dive into the purchase, and know the pros/cons of this kit.
4. This is exactly what this kit is made for. It does it, and it does it well.

Cheers, this seems to simplify the decision of this kit vs the C30 from Kraftwerks. Time to do some more homework!

1 and 2, I think are closely related, Shiv has his own dyno numbers for the tunes he has put out on the OFT. There are dynos for the earler versions of the kits, before the newer kits and OFT tunes, check the phantom owners page for a decent list of who has one and if they have any performance numbers.

3) yes, I only wish I was farther down the waiting list so I could have gotten the newest version upgrades without having to pay extra for them. I still miss the feeling of having more power at mid throttle, and even the new updates won't change that. Maybe if the throttle table was edited to be more linear, it wouldn't feel so dead in the middle. Either way from the reliability and price standpoint, I am glad I chose this vs a turbo kit(what I was originally looking for) and it's accompanying mods. My trip up the old 2 lane highways with this kit made passing before the next curve much less dramatic. And for daily driving I sometimes forget It is even installed until I need it. There is very little to break, and no failure of the system that I know of will endanger the motor.

4) Short answer, yes. But again that is just my opinion. I have yet to have anyone line up with me in this car, or make me really test it. See if someone is local to you and ask for a ride, everyone who has one seems more then willing to show it off :burnrubber:

Well, after doing some more reading, this seems to fit the bill quite nicely for what I'd be using it for. Thinking within the next couple of weeks, this will be getting purchased!

oh dear. I'm sorry if we have mislead you, but there is a substantial waiting list. As this is still basically a product in development, it is not being mass produced. If you are interested in the tech and are fine with a minimum wait of maybe 7 months, then all you have to do is PM Robftss asking to be added to the waiting list, or try to find one on the used market. I got a PM earlier willing to pay $2000 used, I suspect brzaapi sold his kit to this person. I was sorely tempted, but hadn't decided If I wanted to get back on the list and go another year without it.

Anyway, if time is a factor, you may want to look at other options.

I'm aware of the waiting list. Time is not a big factor. I get to drive my car two days a month from March to November. The less time it's being worked on in that time period, the better.

i just want to chime in and say that if you are looking for full FI and if you dont plan to go well over 300whp, just stick to the esc. I'm currently running the SBD kit and i gotta say it's very similar to the ESC just a bit more umph up top but other then that it's noting special with turbo, just alot more money on supporting mods is all you'll get.

with the e85 tune i made roughly 210whp vs 237whp with the turbo kit. i attached a virtual dyno that i did with both setup done on the same road. it may not be super accurate when compared to a real dyno but it's good enough for comparing my before and after mod.
also, i want to say that i love the sbd turbo kit but if i had to do it all over again, i think i would've just stick with the ESC for pure simplicity sake.
also keep in mind that i spent a little over 3k for the turbo kit + 1K for ecutek and tune. roughly 500usd for an oil cooler, then add the catch can, thermo wraps, boost controller, gages, etc..... and some bloody knuckles from the install lol.

also keep in mind that this is just the stock sbd kit on my car vs the ESC with e85 (also on my car, it my be different on other people's cars.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...15365261dd6df8

was it worth it to go turbo......maybe in the future when I start shooting for higher numbers.
i will have to say that I really do enjoy the sbd kit, but the instant boost of the ESC is well worth it for it's price range.
just my honest personal opinion from having both kit's.

What psi are you running ? I plan to get the Sbd kit too but aim to be around 300-350 hp wheel

7.5psi in that graph, but I'm currently getting tuned for 10psi as we speak.

Just a little pic of another future Phantom SC application:

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k4...6/IMG_0420.jpg

Guess the vehicle :)

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S2000? Nope stupid me.

Ariel atom would be cool though. Don't they have an ecotec engine on them?

Ecotec, I'll hope it's a Polaris Slingshot

is that a sky/solstice?

whatever it is the tires are very small

This one will probably give it a way:
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k4...6/IMG_0421.jpg

What type of control computer or partial switch?

Computer control :)

If you don't mind me asking how's the tuning for it? Easier, the same? How are the batteries holding up under the new control?

I've been running the new computer controlled set up in a customer's Miata for a couple weeks now. No issues at all to report. It's pretty awesome actually :)

http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=567709

Seriously count me in when you decide to play on the ft86. I'm so down to try this out.

Absolutely. I intend to release it for both MX5 and GT86 applications at the same time. They are in production now :)

Have you tested in house yet on the ft86? I'm loving the discussion on the Mazda boards. It's so bad ass to see how far this has come in a little over a year.

Not yet. No sense in doing that until our first production run is done. But once it's ready, I'll do some testing on my car. Or your car perhaps since you have an ESC on it :)

Sounds great. Thanks shiv as usual.

Has anyone tracked their car with the ESC? Anything I should worry about?

Also I assume flat foot shifting using the OFT would be out of the question since the activation switch would stay on correct?

@Shiv@Openflash



Same with me Shiv. Anything to help advance the platform.

I've used FFS with the ESC with no issues. It works great from what I recall :)

I think both ThaTruth and nlowell have with earlier kits. Their impressions are in the main Phantom thread.


FFS is enabled by default with the Openflash ESC tune. Its pretty fun. I typically use it shifting from 2nd to 3rd @WOT. To use it just hold down the gas pedal above 6500 RPM, push the clutch in and shift. The tune will blip the throttle while you're btwn gears. @Shiv@Openflash can fully explain the feature.

Can you help me understand FFS better? I am on the off the shelf ESC 91 OFT tune so it should have enabled. When flooring it do I just literally keep my right foot fully depressed, press in the cluth with my left while keeping the right fully depressed, change gears and drop the cluth (or do i need to easy into it)?

Also a side question, if I am in neutral and I go WOT is it bad for the system? Only for bursts of course.

1. Yes, FFS should be enabled in your tune. You have it right, keep your right foot fully depressed, clutch in, change gears, clutch out (you don't need to ease the clutch out). I recommend learning on the 2-3 upshift, so find a place where you can go fast safely.

2. Don't go WOT in neutral. It's bad for the car as a whole.

Sounds fun :burnrubber:. Yeah I won't be WOT-ing in neutral, just trying to understand the effects of compressing air into the engine when it's not supposed to receive it.

So I tried FFS today and I'm pretty sure it is not enabled. The RPM meter jumped and engine revved like crazy as I was shifting. I opened up the ESC 91 oct A00c.bin (OFT v2.01 OTS ESC 1.5dump+OFT USDM only) file in RomRaider to take a look and in Alpha - BRZ - FFS/LC the Flat-Foot Shift RPM Delta is 0 so I assume it is disabled.

Gonna edit the file, reflash and try tomorrow. What is the ideal range for the RPM delta for FFS?

Should be enabled by default. Paging @Shiv@Openflash

I tried it once too, and was pretty sure I hit the rev limit, so I don't think mine was turned on by default either. It doesn't help that it revs so much faster under boost, but I was thinking that we needed a lower limit like around 5500 for the ESC. We don't have max torque at the top end like a super/turbo, so for acceleration I think it would be better to drop down a little more into our power band.

I think I know why there's confusion. I just opened up the e85 map and it has FFS set to a 1000 by default. I'm assuming you are always on e85 now huh lol.