It's also the lightweight toothpick rods and tiny (therefor higher intake velocity at lower rpm) ports. Maybe a skinny crank too.

Traditionally that has always been an advantage of the FE engines, and partly by design.

this really sucks /scion why am I just dumb /whata wrong with Toyota

Is that red thing it???? please reply if so Iam not putting my money in that

I tried it out on the new system. Remember I did this a year or so ago, they had different features.

Here's what I got:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1302746392

^ Scion is about keeping 'aftermarket' dollars in the dealer's pocket it seems.

I haven't seen that. I'd prefer a more performance oriented edition, but I do like the limited cosmetic differences too because it makes the car more rare.

My example would be the Tsunami edition Celica. No performance improvement so it's not as cool, but I really like the way they look and how rare they are.

the new tc looks disctinctly like the new corolla mated with an accord

Yeah, I have that problem in my hachi....usually what I do is downshift if I need to get up and go. Problem solved.

its a smart roadster gas saver but fun to drive

Wow that is a overpriced TC. A 3.8 Track Gencoupe is the same price as a fully loaded TC??? That is insane.

My thoughts as well!

This is what bugs me about Scion:

You can't have different editions within models like the Camry LE, Celica GT and GT-S, etc. But you can spend a ton of money on accessories.

Why not do the consumer a favor and make editions of the car that include some of the accessories but at a "bundled" discounted price?

Like the above car I priced out, why not make it a "deluxe" edition for less than $25,000? Absurd, I say!

Toyota is for older, scion is for young people. Didn't they promise it to be an affordable, light weight, rwd

When I bought my tC I didn't want anything added to it.. and since they all come from the factory like that I got a bone stock tC... and the dealerships can add on stuff for free if they want.. I ended up getting an upgraded radio and a few other things for free since I was a return customer at that dealership.

Yes. The FT-86 would replace my daily driver.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...?t=1140&page=2

cause i'm too lazy to type it out again, lol.

+1. I wonder how the features for the 3.8 Track Genesis Coupe would compare with the tC fully loaded. I'm too lazy to actually do that right now. But it still would be interesting. Even if the tC had a few more features Gen Coupe >>>>>>>>>>>> tC. :sigh:

The last release series of the previous gen tC had TRD springs, wheels, and swaybars.

Was that re-badged, Eibach springs, Enkei wheels and Suspension Techniques anti-roll bars that you could buy for less money without the TRD stickers on them?

How much extra does a Release Series cost?

IIRC RS cost same, cuz dealer cannot mark it up. That's why RS series sales pretty quickly

looked it up just now, the release series 5 was priced $2,300 over base.
Included:
18in wheels
lowering springs
sport muffler
sway bar
(I'm not listing cosmetic stuff, like red seat inserts)

Wow, I'm off for a day and you guys go bats crazy without me :(.

And what is up with that Smart roadster?

Good gas mileage is just an added bonus to a lightweight, small engined sports car :D.

PS The age demographic for Toyota is best described as dirt old. Scion is middle-aged :lol:. Young people generally don't have much money. Especially pimple faced teenagers :cry:.

About the rebading, thats totally ricer.

In the g35 community there is alot of people who rebadge to nissan skyline 350gts.

It is seen as VERY ricer. All the decals on the inside will still be wrong, and above all the steering wheel is still on the wrong side. Anyone who knows what is what will just have a laugh.


only thing worse then a rebadge is mixed emblems. For instance a USDM infiniti badge with JDM skyline letters.

I agree with you on this.. I personally just like to go badge-less... I have done it to all my cars.. I just like the look of nothing on the front of the car or rear .. just sheet metal and paint ... if you want to know what the car is just look at my VIN # ..

I do half agree w you... but look at your VIN#? Really? For an example: If I park my car in parking lot for shopping and when I come back, some guy looking through front window looking at something. What am I gonna do? Beat da F' out of that person or just call police.

Again, look at your VIN #... really?

That looks like a good deal for Joe Average who wants to have a unique 'tuner' Scion, but it's alien to me. I couldn't do it. Dealer packaged 'aftermarket performance' is just... wrong.

I'm checking out the Canadian Scion site right now...

TRD drop in air filter (not intake system) $102
AEM Cold Air for 05-07 tC (full proper cold air system) $323

TRD exhaust system (no details on sizing/power gains, looks like axle back) $741
Tanabe Concept G (cat-back 60mm full 304 stainless for 05-07 tC) $541

TRD lowering springs (1.2" drop, no rate info) $998
Tanabe lowering springs (Sustec DF210 1.7/2.2 drop with increased rate for 05-07 tC) $286

TRD 19" lightweight Wheels (19x8, +35, saves 1.18kg/wheel vs 18" factory) $1921 (assuming tires come too).

Tenzo R DC-5 wheels 19"x8.5", +17 or +45 weight unknown $321 each $1284
Fuzion ZRi Tires 253/35ZR19 $204 each $816 total

TRD total: $3762 installed (it's included when you buy from the dealer right?) So the $2300 Release Series looks like a good deal.

Mid grade (TRD equivalent) aftermarket parts: $3250 Now put in some elbow grease, or buy a buddy a LOT of beer, and you still come out ahead money-wise, AND you have an extra set of stock 18" wheels and tires. So this makes the Release Series a good financial deal. But sell the stock wheels and rubber and it would be very close, and the AEM/Tanabe combo will make more power than the TRD dress-up filter and exhaust.

But dealer vs aftermarket there's no contest.

(Prices are in Canadian dollars.)

If you are really serious about performance, Aftermarket always beats out Factory options. This what I couldn't understand about people up and arms about factory options or lack there of aside from the warranty appeal. You are going to get options, just don't expect them to be cheap and perform better than Aftermarket counter parts.

i hope with my entire ability to hope that they put a proper LSD in it, no matter what. let's just wait and see what happens next week, mkay?

That's what I was trying to show there. I spent $500 less (not even completely cheaping out on Ksport, Megan or Rota) plus kept the original 18" wheels and tires, and guarantee that the AEM full cold air and Tanabe Cat-back make more power than the TRD drop in filter and axle back.

Unless your brand new to mods/can't do it yourself/don't want to learn, try to stay away from dealer installed options, people. Try to learn about modding your car yourselves. Or at the very least support your local speed shops!

well im not exactly shocked, funny thing is that the car in the video looks just like the FT II i wonder if they just popped off toyo badge and slapped on the scion one haha.

when the time comes i'll test drive this and the subie and make my decision then, who knows maybe scion will suddenly make an about face change it's way, if not the pleiades badge will have what i want.

I forget sometimes people don't get sarcasm on inter net forums..



Plus anyone that would notice a car doesn't have emblems, might be into cars and have some clue as to what my car is. They could look right on my wheels and see Scion and tC on the it.. and my vin number is right on my registration sticker..

No need to buy an aftermarket fart can exhaust. Just have this guy ride a long in your back seat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXDNx...eature=related

LOLOLOL that has to be the best ...human sound effect ? thing I have ever seen.

I'm pretty anxious for the concept, hopefully it looks as good as the FT-86 concept II!

motherfuck!

Best reaction all day. LOL:clap:

dude, the two days i dont visit the site and then to come on to this... its the only reaction i can express...

i feel like toyota pulled my pants down and raped me

im still getting it, but it'll be bittersweet

oh lawd toyota fails hard shit again. And they wonder why Hyundai is running away in sales and in a few years will surpass them in many areas. NO ONE WANTS SCION!! Jeezus if they woulda just google searched it they woulda seen that. Toyota is just like Honda, econo boxes that are snore fests! Ewww the more I hear the more im like ehhh no

That pretty much sums it up for most people. Even if they get the subie instead, thats still money in their pocket and toyota knows that.

But honestly I've come to terms(kinda) with driving a scion, as long as the interior is comfortable, the weight is low, and the power is decent... I'm happy. If not there's always the gen coupe as my backup.