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venturaII 06-05-2015 09:53 PM

It's okay if you don't get it. Not everyone does. No need to feel threatened. Builds are rarely about 'what makes sense'.

HUNTERANGEL121 06-05-2015 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by themadscientist (Post 2276798)
No, just realistic. This is the wrong engine to throw money at for such a build, wrong F. If it was a F20, I would be 100% behind you. Nothing I hate more than folks ruining an S2000 by boosting that gem of an engine.

HONDA S2000 F20C Kαi : K-Tech tuned engine with TODA ITB ( NA 294HP 29.2kg/m : Rebirth and Dyno ) - YouTube



So how about you rub some butthurt creme on your widdle toushy, start using your brain and realize that you are going to spend 10Gs for 20hp and still get walked by a Prius.

http://www.innovationlabs.org.uk/wp-...lity-Check.jpg

To be fair, gearing is pretty important. You mention the F20C.... Aggressive cams, an amazing header which few manage to make better than oem header, head with high flow, and revs to 9k.
If someone builds an fa20, forged internals, proper rod ratio, crank that can handle being spun up to 9k, it'd be one hell of a motor.

I love how you all complain about power in the 86. I invite you to drive my sky, 170hp, 3000lbs.

Sent from my toaster

themadscientist 06-05-2015 10:07 PM

Get why you want to spend a bunch of money and have nothing to show for it but to say that you did a silly thing. No, I get that. You are stupid. That's ok. Lots of people are stupid. This guy did this and I'm sure he's proud of it. I'm sure lots of people didn't get that, but I do. He wanted to do it so he did. Fine. Don't think for a minute that my understanding of his desire despite disagreeing with it mean I won't mercilessly clown on him, or you for doing a dumb thing because you wanted to.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...3cc50523e7.jpg

Threatened? Not at all. When you are done spending that 10Gs, if you challenged me in my bone stock BRZ, you would have an insignificant advantage. It's still easily down to driver skill and I'm pretty good and don't play fair. Now, you would have the advantage of power to weight, what, with your, hehe 20 hp and that lightweight racing wallet. :D

Instead of reflexively defending you weak ideas, how about listening to this guy who, without meaning to, actually made the point.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WHITE (Post 2274213)
Becuase no replacement for displacement?

Instead of wasting money trying to punch up a tiny engine to tiny plus .3, why not use those funds to do something significant, say 1.6?

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...tribengine.jpg

Bolt something like this on top and build a well-designed header system for it and get some real power without having to boost it.

http://www.borlainduction.com/media/...s_complete.jpg

Amateur dreamers, weaksauce.

drewbot 06-05-2015 10:29 PM

Everyone keeps comparing this engine to a car that was built with different emissions restrictions and isn't even available anymore. Just let the kit be

venturaII 06-05-2015 11:03 PM

Hahaha! By suggesting a Tribeca engine, you've let it be known that you've never even laid your hands on one, let alone had one on an engine stand. If you had, you'd realize what a bloated lump it is. No big deal though - once again, you're going to lots of lengths to explain how unthreatened you are that you don't understand the appeal of the N/A approach. Like I said before, it's not for everyone, so don't feel bad.

venturaII 06-05-2015 11:18 PM

This is boring - I'm done.. I'll let everyone continue stomping their feet and insisting that they're not throwing a tantrum.

themadscientist 06-05-2015 11:22 PM

I most certainly have not met one of those engines. I'm a Nissan, Toyota and rotary guy, not Subaru. I've never really liked Subaru engines. They are never impressive and rather goofy, actually, and I had to tap a deep well of tolerance to buy the BRZ because of that Subaru engine. Within their element, though, they can get the job done so they have their place.

Now, we have people starting to try to squeeze more power out of them and the engine is holding together. I don't know enough about Scoobys to speak to whether the FA is better than the EJ so I will leave that battle up to the Subaru faithful and argue those sorts of things when my Nissan buddies get butthurt when I talk about wanting to put a 2JZ in my R.


The stock power figures gave me some doubt about the 3.6, doubt you have confirmed. You want to build NA, fine, you want displacement, good idea, but, lump or not, you can't refute the truth that after you spend 10Gs, that lump will still destroy your 2.3 mity mite. Either you beleive there is "no replacement for displacement" or you don't. You are a walking talking argument all to yourself. Perhaps you should adjust to the statement "there's no replacement for whatever illogical idea I had."

Haha. Passive aggressive suits you. Go with that.

Andrew025 06-05-2015 11:38 PM

I don't know why I keep coming back to this thread.


Have we not decided whose e-peen is biggest yet?

airjonny 06-05-2015 11:41 PM

:popcorn:

themadscientist 06-05-2015 11:41 PM

His is.

Regardless of the logic of the project, I do hope the guy on, I think it was page 2, who's building something, is genuinely happy with whatever comes out of it.

I'm going to recuse myself and let this thread focus on supporting his build since some can't handle justifying it and the resulting argument is just cluttering up a thread not named "ITT we argue about stroker kits" and that's not cool. :thumbdown:

We can argue about it elsewhere if need be. :paddle:

chaoskaze 06-06-2015 01:17 AM

=___= what happened to a fun thread. All I see is pisses & sour. :suicide:

stevesnj 06-06-2015 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by themadscientist (Post 2276826)
Get why you want to spend a bunch of money and have nothing to show for it but to say that you did a silly thing. No, I get that. You are stupid. That's ok. Lots of people are stupid. This guy did this and I'm sure he's proud of it. I'm sure lots of people didn't get that, but I do. He wanted to do it so he did. Fine. Don't think for a minute that my understanding of his desire despite disagreeing with it mean I won't mercilessly clown on him, or you for doing a dumb thing because you wanted to.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...3cc50523e7.jpg

Threatened? Not at all. When you are done spending that 10Gs, if you challenged me in my bone stock BRZ, you would have an insignificant advantage. It's still easily down to driver skill and I'm pretty good and don't play fair. Now, you would have the advantage of power to weight, what, with your, hehe 20 hp and that lightweight racing wallet. :D

Instead of reflexively defending you weak ideas, how about listening to this guy who, without meaning to, actually made the point.



Instead of wasting money trying to punch up a tiny engine to tiny plus .3, why not use those funds to do something significant, say 1.6?

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...tribengine.jpg

Bolt something like this on top and build a well-designed header system for it and get some real power without having to boost it.

http://www.borlainduction.com/media/...s_complete.jpg

Amateur dreamers, weaksauce.

I wonder how much of a weight increase it is for an H6 swap.

WHITE 06-06-2015 10:53 AM

@themadscientist


Who said I wasn't boosting?

venturaII 06-07-2015 11:04 AM

Careful - don't point out his mistakes or he'll scour the internet for unrelated pictures to show you why he thinks you're wrong.


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