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Tromatic 06-18-2013 10:08 PM

IF ethanol-free gas "sixes" this problem, where are all the people running E-85 with a locust swarm? Somebody must make a suitable sub fuel pump.

horrorbiz 06-18-2013 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tromatic (Post 1009507)
Built 10/13

FROM THE FUTURE?!:scared0016:

NIKOLA 06-19-2013 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by FR-S Matt (Post 1009057)
They will be back. It's based on temperature a lot, and rpm. I haven't had low rpm chirps with my A/C running the past few days, but if I give it just a little gas slightly while idle, the crickets come alive. Drive-thru's are notorious for having crickets for me.

Yup..... They're Back.....
Damn it!:bonk:

Huggsen 06-19-2013 11:04 AM

Had the pump replaced once, 2 days later crickets were back and even worse.
Took it back in had it replaced with the new reivsed pump......next day crickets back and O_O its aweful!!! I have crickets on start up and when warmed up, from idle up to 1500-1750 rmp.

My dealership talk to toyota engineer, and told me there is no fix... no eta for fix... and said i could get the pump replaced as many times as i wanted but there was no point to be honest!

Tromatic 06-19-2013 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by horrorbiz (Post 1010397)
FROM THE FUTURE?!:scared0016:

Ooops. Gotta go look again.

xXDeathMaliCeXx 06-19-2013 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Huggsen (Post 1011164)
My dealership talk to toyota engineer, and told me there is no fix... no eta for fix... and said i could get the pump replaced as many times as i wanted but there was no point to be honest!

This. I figured they don't have a solution except to throw new fuel pumps at the problem. I read something earlier about possibly spacing out the HPFP from the engine and fitting a heat shield on it. Anyone try this yet?

I have no clue where the HPFP is located so idk what it would require to space out or if its possible or actually located somewhere not on the engine. So forgive my ignorance lol.

DylanFRS 06-19-2013 01:49 PM

At this point it doesn't seem like there is any point in going in to have your fuel pump replaced unless you just want it on record that you got it replaced. Personally, I'd rather have less mechanics taking my car apart and putting it back together if I already know it won't fix it.

Deepseadiver 06-19-2013 02:41 PM

Just had my HPFP replaced yesterday. Revised pump with the green dot on the shipping box. I will report back and let you know if the sound comes back. Also got the window switch replaced, it works great now, do not have to press it two or three times to get the window to go down/up.

Tromatic 06-19-2013 04:03 PM

Time to start looking at aftermarket pumps, I guess.

HunterGreene 06-19-2013 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tromatic (Post 1011803)
Time to start looking at aftermarket pumps, I guess.

Or live with/get used to the chirps. I have. :)

propulsion1 06-19-2013 04:17 PM

Build date is Sept 2012 (BRZ). Chirping started after 2-3k miles. Just replaced HPFP under the revised TSB 2 weeks ago. No more crickets as of now.

FYI, local suby dealer initially declined to replace the HPFP pump, citing that my car is 'not in the mfg range' and tech said it is normal for HPFP. When i brought up the TSB#, they then said 'we are not replacing the pump, just the plunger' and that my TSB may not be the newest one. I said fine, just replace the plunger then and make it work, knowing that they are just trying to dissuade me from proceeding. The work order after I collected the car listed all the same parts per the TSB. This is also the same dealer who replaced two rear arm bushings to fix the 'clicking' noise from the trunk, AFTER I gave them a copy of the TSB to just apply lube since I have there car there during an on oil change. When I called them to question this as the noise was still present with the new bushings, service tech told me that the TSB I provided may not apply to all BRZs and the noise must be from the bushings. Stopped by Autozone on way home and bought some Si Lube and fixed the problem in 5 mins myself. I wonder if this is greed, or sheer ignorance. Also wonder if they actually replaced the bushings at all. Would not go back again but the other suby dealer is more than 30-40 miles away.

Burninator 06-19-2013 04:43 PM

Just got back from the dealer and got a new HPFP on order after mine chirped like a mofo the whole way to IL and back this past weekend.

Service rep also said there was a new/updated Toyota TSB for it.

Now the wait for the part as he also said that was on back order >_<.

Tromatic 06-19-2013 09:46 PM

Seems to be at least one pump out there:

http://www.deatschwerks.com/news/pre...e-brz-and-fr-s

FR-S Matt 06-19-2013 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tromatic (Post 1012607)
Seems to be at least one pump out there:

http://www.deatschwerks.com/news/pre...e-brz-and-fr-s

Wrong one, that goes inside the fuel tank. It's not the HPFP.

Carwhisperer 06-19-2013 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Burninator (Post 1011932)
Just got back from the dealer and got a new HPFP on order after mine chirped like a mofo the whole way to IL and back this past weekend.

Service rep also said there was a new/updated Toyota TSB for it.

Now the wait for the part as he also said that was on back order >_<.

I've had mine on order since.. Try November. My dealer is the largest one in my region. They know the HPFP isn't making the chirp. So they haven't been wasting anyones time and their own time by replacing anyones.

chenshuo 06-20-2013 08:13 AM

After 6000km of cricket free driving, i now have the crickets too :-(

BadMoon 06-20-2013 08:20 AM

Took mine in today. I don't have high hopes. Even if the sound goes down a little it's a win until there is a better fix.

malave7567 06-20-2013 08:55 AM

I have just under 300 miles, and I'm hearing the crickets at idle. Build date 05/13. I didn't notice it at first because I usually always have my radio up. It doesn't really seem loud enough to really bother me unless I'm against a wall (drive-thru/garage/etc), but it is annoying. I'm used to injector noise from DI engines, but this is kind of ridiculous.

ATL BRZ 06-20-2013 09:19 AM

Dropped off at my dealer this morning for a confirmed green dot pump. Got a XV Crosstrek loaner... meh

chenshuo 06-20-2013 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ATL BRZ (Post 1013363)
Dropped off at my dealer this morning for a confirmed green dot pump. Got a XV Crosstrek loaner... meh

There are people reporting that even after the green dot pump is installed, the cricket still comes back.

If Subaru/Toyota still don't have a real fix as of now, then that means the 2014 models will have crickets too, lol.

xXDeathMaliCeXx 06-20-2013 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by malave7567 (Post 1013338)
I have just under 300 miles, and I'm hearing the crickets at idle. Build date 05/13. I didn't notice it at first because I usually always have my radio up. It doesn't really seem loud enough to really bother me unless I'm against a wall (drive-thru/garage/etc), but it is annoying. I'm used to injector noise from DI engines, but this is kind of ridiculous.

If you take it back to the dealer make sure to post what they tell you. I know mine was built sometime in early 2013 and they told me that my VIN wasn't included in the recall so there's nothing they can do except tell Toyota about it.

Tromatic 06-20-2013 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FR-S Matt (Post 1012635)
Wrong one, that goes inside the fuel tank. It's not the HPFP.

Ah, thanks. So there is not an aftermarket pump available? Seems to me somebody could sell a boatload of them. Maybe the answer is if you have crickets, run that sucker until failure if you are still under warranty. A few dozen dead engin claims might get some attention.

FR-S Matt 06-20-2013 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tromatic (Post 1013879)
Ah, thanks. So there is not an aftermarket pump available? Seems to me somebody could sell a boatload of them. Maybe the answer is if you have crickets, run that sucker until failure if you are still under warranty. A few dozen dead engin claims might get some attention.

Yeah, there's no aftermarket one yet. I figured the same thing that a company would make a killing off aftermarket pumps, but no one has done it. I'll probably run my first pump to death until Toyota comes out with a real fix and changes the pump part and not just "revise" it.

malave7567 06-20-2013 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by xXDeathMaliCeXx (Post 1013873)
If you take it back to the dealer make sure to post what they tell you. I know mine was built sometime in early 2013 and they told me that my VIN wasn't included in the recall so there's nothing they can do except tell Toyota about it.

I have the feeling I would get the same response. I think I'm going to wait a while and see if anything new comes out, or at least get the car past the break-in period/1st service so they can't say it's not broken in either.

BadMoon 06-20-2013 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ATL BRZ (Post 1013363)
Dropped off at my dealer this morning for a confirmed green dot pump. Got a XV Crosstrek loaner... meh

I'm driving a 2012 Camry today. They just called and said the car is ready. I hope I'm wrong and that dreadful sound is gone.

BadMoon 06-20-2013 05:07 PM

Drove home in a spirited manor. It's mid 80's outside today. Not a sound for now. I guess I'll wait and see.

ATL BRZ 06-20-2013 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ (Post 1013363)
Dropped off at my dealer this morning for a confirmed green dot pump. Got a XV Crosstrek loaner... meh

Quote:

Originally Posted by chenshuo (Post 1013861)
There are people reporting that even after the green dot pump is installed, the cricket still comes back.

If Subaru/Toyota still don't have a real fix as of now, then that means the 2014 models will have crickets too, lol.

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Originally Posted by BadMoon (Post 1014277)
I'm driving a 2012 Camry today. They just called and said the car is ready. I hope I'm wrong and that dreadful sound is gone.

Just got home with the green dot pump installed. Filled up with 93 octane E10 gas and drove spiritedly home in and out of traffic and 87 degree ambient heat.

No crickets where this morning I pulled into the dealer with them. Of course I will be listening closely over the next few hundred miles....

FR-S Matt 06-20-2013 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ATL BRZ (Post 1014774)
Just got home with the green dot pump installed. Filled up with 93 octane E10 gas and drove spiritedly home in and out of traffic and 87 degree ambient heat.

No crickets where this morning I pulled into the dealer with them. Of course I will be listening closely over the next few hundred miles....

Keep us informed, you're part of the small few that have got it done. 1 out of 2 people have said fixed, the other said crickets are back worse than ever. Interested to hear yours after a few fillups.

BadMoon 06-20-2013 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by FR-S Matt (Post 1014814)
Keep us informed, you're part of the small few that have got it done. 1 out of 2 people have said fixed, the other said crickets are back worse than ever. Interested to hear yours after a few fillups.

I will check in as well after a few myself. It seemed fine. But then again so did everyone else's at first.

Blackbeltmma 06-20-2013 07:32 PM

I'm on my 4th replacement pump. I told the Toyota dealership I will not tolerate this crap and they will see me every month until it stops. Last time they video taped my engine and sent it to TRD in LA. There is simply no excuse for this with the modern technology around.

nlp187 06-21-2013 12:58 AM

Got my car back two days ago with a new pump and haven't had any crickets yet. We shall see.

BadMoon 06-21-2013 07:54 AM

I think it may be a placebo effect but my car seems a bit more peppy.

HunterGreene 06-21-2013 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Blackbeltmma (Post 1014902)
I'm on my 4th replacement pump. I told the Toyota dealership I will not tolerate this crap and they will see me every month until it stops. Last time they video taped my engine and sent it to TRD in LA. There is simply no excuse for this with the modern technology around.

I know how frustrating it can be, taking a car in for the same problem over and over again. Just when you think its fixed....*cricket.* I haven't gotten the replacement yet, and I have no plans to at this time. Good luck in the future, and take some solace in the fact that you will probably be one of the first to let us all know whether or not a fix is finally in. :)

fuz10n 06-21-2013 09:56 AM

Getting my cricket-y HPFP replaced today as well, I'll report back.

Tromatic 06-21-2013 06:25 PM

Have any of these pumps actually failed? I'm assuming that a pump failure will just result in a non-running engine and not a damaged one. Mine is very intermittent, and I'm not going to worry about it. Maybe I'll be the one to run it to failure.

Blackbeltmma 06-21-2013 11:47 PM

I will most certainly let everybody how I make out with the new parts Toyota is 'suppose' to be looking into. To be honest, I am SOOOO embarrassed with the car making the noise.
In the meantime, I keep the emerg brake on and rev the engine sometimes as it is so loud you can hear it a block away.

Sixth_Vang 06-22-2013 02:06 AM

Just bought the car for my wife and realized that our car has the chirping noise at 6800k miles : \ Took it in to Atlanta Toyota in Duluth, GA and they were trying to tell me that it was normal until I brought up the TSB. They agreed to replace it but the damn pump is on back order :(

Huggsen 06-22-2013 10:31 AM

I just dropped my car back off again to get pump #3 . I agree , it is embarrassing and it is crap !
Dealership is trying to **** around with me now saying that I've used up my warranties that they may not warranty it again and that i may be out of luck... that's BS if ive ever heard any!

Tromatic 06-22-2013 11:18 AM

As some have said, Ethanol seems to aggravate the noise. I have not seen anyone running E-85 complaining about pump noise, or have they? Has anyone with the savvy to do so taken one of these noisy pumps apart?

Smokinbuffalo 06-22-2013 12:50 PM

I have 450 miles on the green dot HPFP on my BRZ. The crickets haven't returned. The weather has been cool, but I would have expected crickets with the old pump. I'm hopeful this pump will stay quite. If the crickets come back I guess I will have to go back to ethanol free gas.


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