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Tcoat 11-22-2020 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by nextcar (Post 3386386)
Hyperbole much? Hardly a condemnation to say I don’t understand the strong opinions - nor did I say that anyone can’t express their opinion...

It just seems that a mountain is being made out of a mole hill. And I, for one, reserve final judgment until I see it in person. Even though I don’t care for the Supra, my opinion improved when I saw it in person. Still not impressed.

“Ugly as hell”; nope, just not my cup of tea. Too much hate on the new car for me. I’m glad it exists!
Your opinion on other opinions being opinionated is a opinionated opinion in my opinion.

I, me, myself, individually, am of the opinion the bumper vents and front fenders are as ugly as can possibly be designed on a car. I may change that opinion in person but I highly doubt it. It fact I will probably be even more disgusted. Don't give a shit if it is somebody else's cup of tea and they can object to my opinion all they want it doesn't change my point of view and I am sick and fucking tired of people saying I should not say anything. Especially when their full blown hypocrisy is exposed as they criticize others for being opinionated.

Dake 11-22-2020 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3386166)
Could see a hybrid though. I was very scared that this round would be one actually.
On an E85 tune, I only get about 220 miles to a tank anyway. I would love a EV version. Yeah - it'll be heavier. But if they could manage to reliably get 200 miles to a charge, combined with the huge torque bump? That could be a blast.

emirdtm 11-22-2020 01:53 PM
Anybody know if it’s still 5x100?

Tcoat 11-22-2020 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by emirdtm (Post 3386404)
Anybody know if it’s still 5x100?
Nothing official yet. Someplace somebody measured the pic and says it isn't while others say it is. May have to wait a bit for a complete verification on that.

Cubix 11-22-2020 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by nextcar (Post 3386314)
I really don’t get why people are so opinionated about the front grill... as shown it it similar to many other sports cars and seems fine to me.

Personally the only grills I spend time on studying are on highway patrol cars so I can spot them in my rear view mirror!

It seems incredible that we finally get functional vents (fake vents being a pet peeve of mine) and now some complain about the shape?

Remember: it could have come out looking like the new Supra!:scared0016:
Because looks are subjective...just like how your last sentence implied you don't like the look of the new Supra, while many others do.

vh_supra26 11-22-2020 02:42 PM
Hell if I know what he's saying, but some clips of the indoor unveiling and some close up with the blue car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwpeFJvtBXY

bcj 11-22-2020 03:43 PM
Comparing the side view of the old model to the new model,
I find all the black plastic off-putting.

Actually like the 400Z body a great deal more. KISS.
Not going to pay more for a Renault though in any case.

Ash_89 11-22-2020 03:45 PM
https://youtu.be/ZwpeFJvtBXY?t=1167

From the video above, depicting how the car revs and sounds in 2nd from low revs, how does that seem to gen 1 owners?

It seems good to me, it sounds nice and revs pretty quick.

Red-86 11-22-2020 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by emirdtm (Post 3386404)
Anybody know if it’s still 5x100?
In the absence of confirmation, Occam’s razor suggests that if they stuck with a Subi platform and engine, there is no reason to think they would change the PCD. Why would they?

StormFalcon 11-22-2020 04:40 PM
The look has definitely grown on me, and it seems like the performance will be good. Just not sure if it's worth 30k when you can get a well sorted supercharged gen 1 twin for <25k now. I wonder if Toyota is pulling something similar to the new supra where they want to sell the same number of units every year, and subsequently make big improvements every year.

Lelandjt 11-22-2020 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Cubix (Post 3386420)
Because looks are subjective...just like how your last sentence implied you don't like the look of the new Supra, while many others do.
Now wait a second, I've heard people say they don't hate the Supra's styling and heard an owner call it "okay" but I've never heard anyone say they like it. Also, "many"? Is there a corner of the car world I'm not aware of that is enthusiastic about the Supra's looks? I thought it was considered an example of bad or poorly executed styling.

Dadhawk 11-22-2020 05:39 PM
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Hell if I know what he's saying,
The blue paint was very nice, I like the gloss and depth in it.

YouTube translate didn't help much but I'm glad the hot water tubers like it...

Tokay444 11-22-2020 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Marrk (Post 3386377)
Having two injection systems is way too complicated for my money, but if it works, and it's not related to any engine problems, then it's hard to argue against it. But if you are installing oil catch cans and doing periodic walnut blasting of your valves, then I would say no to it. (EDIT: Has any other OEM tried this "solution" for carbon build-up?)

I'm not an expert on the boxer 4-cyl. engine (or on anything else), but my understanding is that with DI you get carbon build-up and a fuel delivery system running at higher pressures in order to achieve an emissions standard. Okay, fine. On a 2.0 inline-4, Honda was able to use VTEC and port injection to produce an LEV powertrain that made 240 hp. I'll take the inline-4 if anyone is offering it — simpler is better.

NOTE: Not trying to start a fight with anyone. I love the FR-S/BRZ, and I'm here to learn from you guys.
That 240hp 2.0L would fail current era emission standards. Too much nox.

Tcoat 11-22-2020 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Lelandjt (Post 3386488)
Now wait a second, I've heard people say they don't hate the Supra's styling and heard an owner call it "okay" but I've never heard anyone say they like it. Also, "many"? Is there a corner of the car world I'm not aware of that is enthusiastic about the Supra's looks? I thought it was considered an example of bad or poorly executed styling.
There are loads and loads that like to Supra styling. Just swing over to the Supra site and you can find them. Could even be a majority.


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