what about a flappy paddle gearbox??













:bellyroll: jks

I vote for flinstones gearbox.
Where's the radio button for that one?
WHERE'S MY POLL OPTION?!

Take the all new 2010 Subaru Legacy for example. With manual tran it weight at 3,275 lbs. The new CVT (auto) version of it weights 3,384 lbs. That is over 100 lbs heavier than its manual cousin. Not to mention it cost more for the auto version. CVT might be better than the old school auto but it is still nowhere as light or as fun as an old school manual tran.

The grand picture of it all is: Who cares?

Regular drivers will mostly buy the automatic, not because it isnt as heavy as its 90's counterparts, or has higher torque capacity, but because its automatic. They don't care about that crap.

Posers will buy the automatic because...well, they're posers...there's no real reason to explain them fully.

Enthusiast drivers will buy the manual because its about being in control of the car, and feeling the car as you drive it. These drivers also don't care about how far AT's have come because....who cares?

You could put an AT in a car that would surpass my own ability shift quickly and efficiently, and would make another driver faster than me because of said characteristics, but I could give two less shits about that. I'd still drive the manual.

This topic is still going btw?

Its gonna have an auto option. Which transmission you purchase is entirely up to you and reflects, in no way, what kind of driver you are. /end sarcasm

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i hope they leave it as a 6speed manual and thats it, i dont think they should make it with twin clutch or automatic tranny they should leave it old school even though its gonna be like .5sec longer for gear changes lol. and if people wanna drive and own this car they better learn how to drive stick its not hard at all.

I want the 6 speed manual, but a manual only car would be suicide for production numbers. Toyota will have to decide if they want this to be a "viper" type car, as in performance only, or if it will be more like a mustang, acceptable to all and great performance for those who choose that route.

Not enough profit margin?

I bet that we all wish that this wouldnt happen to this amazing car but all we can so is wish and pray and hopefuly the toyota gods will answer:cry:

6mt ftw

I agree, Toyota has already said they were gona release a track model, which would make sense if that model was MT only, I think thats the most we are going to get as far as an MT only car. I think someone has said this previously, but I would like a totally customizeable model, as far as options go, I would like the lighter weight track model with the bigger brakes and stiffer suspension, but I would like to keep my A/C and sterio system. So if they made a base model where you could pull like any options you wanted from any model and put it on that, a fully customizable model, think that would be a win in my book.

I like the idea of the track model but this is still going to be a DD so I still want my creature comforts.

Can't eat your cake and still have it.... :bonk:

You could buy two lol if you can afford it.

Have your fancy delux one with cup holders A/C etc as your daily.
Then have your track one you race and play with :thumbup:

Man if the military paid that well the gov. would be in even more debt and we would have alot more ppl trying to join. I may be getting paid pretty well for workin my ass off over here in the desert but not that well.

Come on man you gotta let me dream. Thats what alot of this forum is, ppl dreamin of what they want and they think would be ideal on this car, can't you at least let me do the same? :cry:

Toyota should make all their cars manual. Good way to weed out the scammers/idiots and their frivolous claims. Seriously though, I would love it if the FT-86 was manual only, but I'll settle for the top model being manual only. With the current gen Civic you can easily tell the Si models apart, and you know their all manuals. With the 350Z/370Z, for example, it's not easy. I know I'm not the only one who always looks inside sports cars to see if their manual or auto, and I know I'm not the only one who is disappointed whenever I see the ugly auto shaft. :thumbdown:

I thought you were serious about making all their cars manual for a second. I was about to use the headslap emote on you.
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Why are you concerned about this? Just enjoy the MT on your incredibly sporty scion tC :bellyroll:

automatic should come with 20 inch chrome wheels no option to opt out of having them installed.

so now an auto is $4000 + 200lbs or more! haha suckaazzz :bonk:

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Chrome

hahaha I think that would make alot of us on here happy

haha I know! then they would be so easy to spot!

Why? Who gives shit?

You guys are fuckin ridiculous with this :bellyroll:

Just buy the car you want with the options that suit your wants and needs and drive it to your heart's content.

I'd rather have an intelligent discussion about gearing options on a variety of possible transmissions that might be offered.

The last time I heard anything good in this thread it was about which company was going to build the 6-speed, whether an AT would have 6 gears or not and what were the odds (and advantages and disadvantages) of a dual clutch SMT option -- not this stupid "Duh, of course I'll drive a stick -- check out my big hairy balls" horseshit...

How fucking old are you guys?

Sheesh :slap:

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All I heard was "I have a vagina. Wanna see?"
I'm calling penis envy on this one.
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Yeah, I'm eatin my fuckin heart out over your awesome Civic :laughabove:

Hey, dude if your manhood hinges on the gearbox of your Civic, it's not my problem :bellyroll:

Hey at least his manhood doesn't hinge on the fact that he doesn't drive a Honda and bashing someone who does because they do. Just because a guy can't afford to drive a higher end sports car does not make him less of a man, your bashing people for the fact that they drive a honda just shows how childish you are. :thumbdown:

^ Honda boyz unite!!!!!!!


ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!1

Nerves were struck.

Incorrect: I'm bashing him for being a prick -- let's get the story straight here :bellyroll:

I think it will have an automatic... IMO the auto should be like the one in the RX-8, if you get an auto, you also get a less powerful / lower revving engine, maybe some softer suspension...

Let the people who just want a 'sporty' looking car have it, and make a real driver's car for the real drivers. Toyota'll sell more, making it less expensive for everyone.

You're exactly right.

ROFL.

While I wouldn't buy a car like this with an auto, I still ROFL @ upitty Americans who think it's a special magic ability to drive a stick, and that "real drivers" don't use Auto.

I agree though, It'd be retarded not to have an auto version, but why should the people who buy them get the shitty end of the stick?

Upitty? Is this a real saying?

Anyway, the fact remains that most auto drivers just want a sporty car. You can be the exception. Perhaps you have a Gallardo with e-gear and track it every weekend. However, most people who choose the auto want a better interior, stereo, and ride. They don't care about autocross times. Ultimately, that is the type of person toyota cares about because that type of person sees the car, falls in love, and drives off the lot with it -after they put it in drive that is.

while aesthetics does "sell" the car, performance is what will keep it in the owners posession rather than a trade in at the dealer or a return.

To me its like a pretty girl, if you take her home and bed her and find out she's lame, best believe sooner or later u will get bored.

I'm just happy its a looker and has got some performance to it, she's a keeper in my book so far.

And as was said by Matador, it doesnt matter if its auto/stick, because we all know it'll come in standard, not everyone wants to drive standard all the time, I know my clutch foot gets tired after a run through manhattan.

I just hope it's not hard to find a manual version in the dealers. Just try to buy an Civic Si in SoCal. Some dealers are even selling them for 28K. 28K for a freaking Civic! If Toyota makes them all manual they will be easy to find for a fair price. If Toyota makes automatic version of the FT-86, get ready to order from the dealer and pay top price if you want a specific trim, color, and tranny.

Oh, not at all!...

It's quite easy to drive a stick if you care about driving. But, as Myka said, many people will just want the 'sporty look' - so Toyota would sell a lot making a comfortable, automatic version for them - and then have the manual be a more focused driver's car for those who want it (the whole package of tighter bushings and firmer suspension, a more powerful / higher revving / at least quicker-revving engine and 6-speed making it the car for 'real drivers'.)

The more Toyota sells, the longer and cheaper it'll stay on the market fr people like me, who won't buy this straight out of the box but probably 6 years from now.

Think about it this way. If lots of autos were sold, they will be cheaper in the used market. Cheaper for you to buy and swap in a manual gearbox. Would you still want to be stuck with a lower performing car? What mazda did with the RX-8 was stupid and if Toyota did that as well it would be just as retarded.

A manual gearbox will always make for a more fun drive in this type of car (light, engaging, tossable, low power). If we are talking about strictly speed and performance, a modern autobox will always be faster shifting and the driver will be able to focus more on the driving and less on shifting. Why do you think open wheeled race cars... heck most race cars in any series worth a damn, use sequential boxes?

Most high end sports cars today you can't even get in manual.

Thank you :bow:

This sort of reasoning is lost on me. This isn't a high-end sports car. Even if it was, there will ALWAYS be something faster.

If you're acknowledging that the manual will be more fun (for all the right reasons), why in this car get a more expensive, less rewarding transmission just to be that tick faster? You'll just get blown away by the next slightly more powerful and expensive car.


As far as Automatics and the used market, I think that it will be a similar situation to the RX-8: they sold a LOT of the manuals, and and they aren't hard at all to find on the used market. In a car like this that reels in enthusiasts, I wouldn't be worried at all about a lack of manuals on the market.
I will say, though, that I was, when i typed it, thinking about the new market 6 years down the road, not used.

Haha! That was too easy. I should have checked back on that sooner.
Anyway, I don't drive a '90 civic by choice, idiot.
I'm not one of those assholes who needs a shaft and ball in my hand to feel manly either. I was just making fun of you for bitching.

Have a nice day, Vag.