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DAEMANO 10-24-2014 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 07jazzrs5gt86 (Post 1997597)
After 5+months wait finally got my esc 250 1.5 kit installed this past sunday and it's totally worth the wait and $$$.
Been running it every chance i get and its been a real pleasure and so addictive.
I wonder what you guys use to cover up that hole in the passenger hole that you run the wires to the engine bay?
I'm thinking of getting a rubber cap then cut a small hole in the middle then cut it half way to slide the 2 wires to the middle.
Also if anyone one using a light weight pulley kit with the system? Planning on installing my nst pulley kit with the gates belt either this sunday or next weekend.


Since I live in SoCal there's almost no rain (sad face) so I didnt do anything more with the hole. You could get an appropriately sized rubber grommet from any hardware store that would seal it nicely around the wires for about a buck.


Congratulations on your kit. The smiles per dollar ratio can't be beat.

Target70 10-24-2014 10:53 PM

I just took some dense foam, cut it into a cylinder to fit in the existing grommet, cut a split half way through down the length (think pacman) and sandwitched the ESC wires in the slit and pushed it through into the hole. Probably isn't completely waterproof, but It knocked down the engine compartment noise, and should help keep bugs out.

07jazzrs5gt86 10-25-2014 10:37 AM

Got that firwall hole plug by a rubber cap i found laying around
Just order this as well
[ame="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0039Z5TRC/ref=cm_wl_fci_cancel"]Amazon.com: DEI 010392 Reflect-A-GOLD 12"x 24" Sheet: Automotive[/ame]
Been wanting to do this for a long time as i notice the stock intake box do get pretty hot after driving and i notice it got even hotter after i install the header. So i plan on wrap it with this foil hope to help keep it at at a lower temp.

Few other have done it also here's a link
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49277

Even if the temp don't change much but sure make the stock box looks much better

DAEMANO 10-25-2014 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 07jazzrs5gt86 (Post 1997996)
Got that firwall hole plug by a rubber cap i found laying around
Just order this as well
Amazon.com: DEI 010392 Reflect-A-GOLD 12"x 24" Sheet: Automotive
Been wanting to do this for a long time as i notice the stock intake box do get pretty hot after driving and i notice it got even hotter after i install the header. So i plan on wrap it with this foil hope to help keep it at at a lower temp.

Few other have done it also here's a link
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49277

Even if the temp don't change much but sure make the stock box looks much better


This is a GREAT idea. You'll notice that the ESC is quite responsive to cold air along with warm batteries. This could definitely help create this seemingly mutually exclusive condition.

07jazzrs5gt86 10-25-2014 04:09 PM

I was thinking of the same thing
Using this to keep the temps more stable
Also i did some googling and found out some people actually use on various supercharger setups to keep the supercharger at better operating temps
So i was wondering if i would to cover this onto the esc would it void any warrant?
Something like this
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/scio...harger-202806/

Target70 10-25-2014 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 07jazzrs5gt86 (Post 1998265)
I was thinking of the same thing
Using this to keep the temps more stable
Also i did some googling and found out some people actually use on various supercharger setups to keep the supercharger at better operating temps
So i was wondering if i would to cover this onto the esc would it void any warrant?
Something like this
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/scio...harger-202806/

I doubt Rob would void the warranty over the foil. Theoretically it should have no effect on the operation of the ESC, and only reflect radiant heat away and keep it from heating up the compressor housing. Honestly any close fitting thermally resistant material should work.
You gave me the crazy idea of putting the ESC in a cardboard box, then filling the box up with spray foam insulation. Cut the cardboard box off, and you would have a square/rectangular block of foam that you could paint black to make the ESC look like a resonator box :D. You would have to keep the motor from getting covered and cover the compressor openings, but It should work quite well.

anyway if you want warm batteries + cold air, you might want to also invest in something like this:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41sUVlDZhRL.jpg
about $30 on amazon

dtek 01-05-2015 03:06 AM

Has anyone had any issues with the voltmeter display unit? Mine has apparently ceased functioning properly, but it still works as an on/off switch for the system and the overall system itself appears to be working as usual. Just the red numerals don't light up or display in any way. This is with the most recent batch of kits (the last of the drag reduction equipped ones).

l0aded 01-06-2015 04:34 AM

About to join the club :). Just wondering has anyone been running e85 with the ESC? Also what are the latest dyno numbers for petrol and e85? Oh and if I have an aftermarket sound system hooked up to my current battery, to put it on the new batteries I would just connect it the same way to the starter one correct?

WNDSRFR 01-06-2015 09:47 AM

I've run both E85 and 93 oct and both work great. I did a test awhile back to determine what difference the E85 actually makes. Because to me I couldn't really feel any difference.
So this is what I did:
I made data logs under identical conditions using both 85 and 93. I recorded the ambient temperature and atmospheric pressure along with throttle position, time, RPM and roadspeed. I ran the tests on the same roadway and gave the different tunes time to adjust.
The test was to go full throttle at 30 MPH at 3,000 RPM in third gear and hold it to redline (about 80 MPH).
The results were that the E85 was consistently one second faster.
But I don't use E85 lately. The price of gas keeps going down and like I said I couldn't really feel the difference.

DAEMANO 01-06-2015 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by l0aded (Post 2079103)
About to join the club :). Just wondering has anyone been running e85 with the ESC? Also what are the latest dyno numbers for petrol and e85? Oh and if I have an aftermarket sound system hooked up to my current battery, to put it on the new batteries I would just connect it the same way to the starter one correct?



Both @WRB5titch and I have been running e85 for months. Only issue has been needing to crank a few times to get the car started on pure e85. This is resolved by adding 2gals of CA91 to ever fill up of 9 gals of e85.


Dynos put an e85 equipped '86 around 220-230 WHP and 200-210 WTQ. However no dynos exist (yet) with the completely new hardware. From what I understand, @Shiv@Openflash will be getting an upgrade kit so I have no doubt he will be running his usual thorough analysis on the dyno with it.


I have no feedback in the extra stereo stuff hookup other than to say my guess is that you just hook it up to the starter batter as if it were a standard battery. The dump pack batts are discreet.


Congrats man!

Winjr 01-15-2015 12:49 PM

Updated the spreadsheet for my data.

Winjr 01-15-2015 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by l0aded (Post 2079103)
Oh and if I have an aftermarket sound system hooked up to my current battery, to put it on the new batteries I would just connect it the same way to the starter one correct?

Correct. That's what I did and the starter battery handles my upgraded amp and subwoofer amp with ease.

l0aded 01-19-2015 04:47 PM

Hey guys quick question about the LED reader. When I activate the ESC it seems to drop from ~28 to about 22.6 or so immediately. If I hold down the throttle for longer it starts to go from 22.6 to 21.9 very slowly. Is this normal? I feel like it would be impossible to run out of energy if it drops .1 every half second or so.

Also how are you guys measuring the boost? Can do you do it on the OFT or using obd2 and torque app?

Sojhinn 01-19-2015 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by l0aded (Post 2096839)
Hey guys quick question about the LED reader. When I activate the ESC it seems to drop from ~28 to about 22.6 or so immediately. If I hold down the throttle for longer it starts to go from 22.6 to 21.9 very slowly. Is this normal? I feel like it would be impossible to run out of energy if it drops .1 every half second or so.

Also how are you guys measuring the boost? Can do you do it on the OFT or using obd2 and torque app?


Voltage is good.
Use either for measuring boost.

DAEMANO 01-19-2015 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by l0aded (Post 2096839)
Hey guys quick question about the LED reader. When I activate the ESC it seems to drop from ~28 to about 22.6 or so immediately. If I hold down the throttle for longer it starts to go from 22.6 to 21.9 very slowly. Is this normal? I feel like it would be impossible to run out of energy if it drops .1 every half second or so.

Also how are you guys measuring the boost? Can do you do it on the OFT or using obd2 and torque app?

Yep, the early fast drop was totally normal with my kit.

Slowly dropping below that is also normal. Yes, you would have to hold WOT for more than 90 seconds before you were unable to boost. That indeed makes it near impossible to run out of boost on the street. You would be traveling well over 140 mph that way.

To measure boost on your OFT, add the Boost channel in the real time data display. It will max at around 5 psi (which for us, is fine).

l0aded 01-19-2015 11:44 PM

Aside from the few posted times, anyone else clock some 0-60s or quarter miles? I gave it a shot (I am terrible at launching) and got a 6.4 0-60 with some gravel slip in the beginning, not too bad. Looking at 0-60 times on the internet I honestly have no idea how motortrend drivers are good enough to get 6.2 bone stock.

It's really hard to get an accurate time around my area due to lack of flat open ground.

DAEMANO 01-20-2015 02:41 AM

@l0aded


0-60 is mostly about how willing you are to abuse your clutch and tires. With some practice and e85 you should be able to pull off mid 5s on the regular. Warning, if using apps like Torque to time your runs, you're probably not getting very accurate timing. All in all 0-60 is mostly about your launch. Try timing 5-70 or 30-90 or looking at your 1/4 mi trap speed to get a real world look at your performance and not your launch technique.

TM 01-21-2015 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dtek (Post 2077765)
Has anyone had any issues with the voltmeter display unit? Mine has apparently ceased functioning properly, but it still works as an on/off switch for the system and the overall system itself appears to be working as usual. Just the red numerals don't light up or display in any way. This is with the most recent batch of kits (the last of the drag reduction equipped ones).

Mine had that issue before. Display was intermittent, but ESC was still on. Shortly after, I noticed the display started smoking up, so I turned it off immediately. I would leave it off and contact Rob immediately. He sent me a replacement.

TM 01-21-2015 06:05 PM

I just updated the owners' list according to the spreadsheet. Let me know if I missed you!

stevo585 01-21-2015 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DAEMANO (Post 2097492)
@l0aded


0-60 is mostly about how willing you are to abuse your clutch and tires. With some practice and e85 you should be able to pull off mid 5s on the regular. Warning, if using apps like Torque to time your runs, you're probably not getting very accurate timing. All in all 0-60 is mostly about your launch. Try timing 5-70 or 30-90 or looking at your 1/4 mi trap speed to get a real world look at your performance and not your launch technique.


What are the typical 1/4 mile trap speeds and ets? I'm already at 97 without boost so I hope its low 100s..

DAEMANO 01-21-2015 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by stevo585 (Post 2100348)
What are the typical 1/4 mile trap speeds and ets? I'm already at 97 without boost so I hope its low 100s..

The spreadsheet from the first post has the only real world trap speed from @shif7i7down 14.01 and 104 mph running an older kit on a sort of mess around day. Pretty sure with some concentration and the much more current kit we'd see consistent 13's @ 106+.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...86&postcount=1

l0aded 01-22-2015 01:27 AM

@TM Typo on front. My 5th patch came in on 1/10/2015 not 2014.

TM 01-22-2015 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by l0aded (Post 2100674)
@TM Typo on front. My 5th patch came in on 1/10/2015 not 2014.

Thanks. It may get close to 2016 before I get used to writing 2015:bonk::bonk:

l0aded 01-22-2015 03:32 AM

Sorry I've been posting a lot but I have yet another question to all the owners. About 75% of the time I feel this overwhelming sensation of torque and power and I'm like VROOM VROOM baby when I initate the ESC in just about any gear. But there are other times when I start the spool and I'm like eh that's not what I remember and almost question if it spooled correctly. I know there can be hundreds of factors (elevation, weight, battery warmup) but it is seemingly random to me. One trip I'll have a blast and the next day I'll be confused. Could be placebo or it raising my expectations each time I drive it but just wanted to hear other's thoughts.

I have mapped the boost and it goes anywhere from 3.7 up to like 4.7. Haven't looked carefully at it yet.

raven1231 01-22-2015 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by l0aded (Post 2100764)
Sorry I've been posting a lot but I have yet another question to all the owners. About 75% of the time I feel this overwhelming sensation of torque and power and I'm like VROOM VROOM baby when I initate the ESC in just about any gear. But there are other times when I start the spool and I'm like eh that's not what I remember and almost question if it spooled correctly. I know there can be hundreds of factors (elevation, weight, battery warmup) but it is seemingly random to me. One trip I'll have a blast and the next day I'll be confused. Could be placebo or it raising my expectations each time I drive it but just wanted to hear other's thoughts.

I have mapped the boost and it goes anywhere from 3.7 up to like 4.7. Haven't looked carefully at it yet.

I had a similar issue. Kept thinking something was wrong with the esc, but data logs seemed to be ok. I think a lot of it has to do with external variables such as temperature and humidity. Also, at what rpm you engage the esc in.

brzaapi 01-22-2015 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TM (Post 2100139)
I just updated the owners' list according to the spreadsheet. Let me know if I missed you!





Well I just installed my version 1 kit, but with the updated batteries (Odyssey 680). So please add my name to the list, and let me know if you need anything else from me.


Thank you sir.

BlueSky 01-22-2015 09:21 AM

For the people without a tune, how does it compare?
I would love one of these, but I'm not willing to void warranty

Sojhinn 01-22-2015 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raven1231 (Post 2100774)
I had a similar issue. Kept thinking something was wrong with the esc, but data logs seemed to be ok. I think a lot of it has to do with external variables such as temperature and humidity. Also, at what rpm you engage the esc in.


Now I don't even notice the difference. Of course I've been running it a long time. It's my expectation of the car now for it to go vroom vroom.

DAEMANO 01-22-2015 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueSky (Post 2100897)
For the people without a tune, how does it compare?
I would love one of these, but I'm not willing to void warranty

Almost nobody runs this without a tune because
A. More power, better reliability, safer.
B. Without a tune you'll throw a CEL
C. The majority of us run OpenFlashTablet tunes which allow for you to flash any ROM (including your stock ROM) back to the ECU at anytime in about 5 minutes. Other tuning options are available.

continuecrushing 01-22-2015 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TM (Post 2100139)
I just updated the owners' list according to the spreadsheet. Let me know if I missed you!

add me please!

I purchased my kit from @SLowS14

I'll have updated install/car mods/kit details in a few days

TM 01-22-2015 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shutter (Post 2101469)
add me please!

I purchased my kit from @SLowS14

I'll have updated install/car mods/kit details in a few days

Great! Add your set up to the spreadsheet when you have it installed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...Hic/edit#gid=0 :happyanim:

Gums 01-23-2015 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueSky (Post 2100897)
For the people without a tune, how does it compare?
I would love one of these, but I'm not willing to void warranty

No issue with warrantee, just remove and reload stock tune as Daemano said.

It's a surprisingly simple job, 30 - 40 mins tops (if you remove everything) then the same to reinstall after service.:)

l0aded 01-23-2015 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gums (Post 2102155)
No issue with warrantee, just remove and reload stock tune as Daemano said.

It's a surprisingly simple job, 30 - 40 mins tops (if you remove everything) then the same to reinstall after service.:)

I know the battery upgrade won't void your warranty but are you guys swapping to stock battery too?

Gums 01-24-2015 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by l0aded (Post 2102859)
I know the battery upgrade won't void your warranty but are you guys swapping to stock battery too?

I am, just to be sure. Occasionally put it on the charger so it stays alive.

Sojhinn 01-24-2015 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gums (Post 2103641)
I am, just to be sure. Occasionally put it on the charger so it stays alive.


Same here I always put in the stock battery

jlpearl 01-27-2015 08:34 AM

I purchased the kit from DriftHappens. Grabbing OFT and UEL before install. Looking forward to getting this on the road!

DAEMANO 01-27-2015 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlpearl (Post 2106884)
I purchased the kit from DriftHappens. Grabbing OFT and UEL before install. Looking forward to getting this on the road!



Congrats man, youre going to love it.

brzaapi 01-27-2015 06:01 PM

My kit is going on almost 2 weeks now, and I have to say I love it. I appreciate all the good feedback from my little review. I really believe this ESC is just a great purchase. But a unique car has come up that I may not be able to resist. I will be traveling to Dallas this weekend to drive it. If I choose to purchase this new track toy, then I will be getting rid of my BRZ. The ESC kit will not be going with the car, if I decide to sell it. Soooo, I may have a very slightly used ESC kit with PC680 batteries for sale. If you or anyone you know is waiting for an ESC kit and is okay with having a slightly used one, please let them know that I may have one. I will get online Saturday and post how the test drive went. Its not for sale yet, but very well could be. I just wanted to mention it here before I go onto a proper thread post it up...if that happens. Yes the kit is working 100%, and is damn fun.

fguadamuz 01-27-2015 06:19 PM

@brzaapi let me know how much you would want for the kit. Tax season coming... :)

Sojhinn 01-27-2015 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brzaapi (Post 2107750)
My kit is going on almost 2 weeks now, and I have to say I love it. I appreciate all the good feedback from my little review. I really believe this ESC is just a great purchase. But a unique car has come up that I may not be able to resist. I will be traveling to Dallas this weekend to drive it. If I choose to purchase this new track toy, then I will be getting rid of my BRZ. The ESC kit will not be going with the car, if I decide to sell it. Soooo, I may have a very slightly used ESC kit with PC680 batteries for sale. If you or anyone you know is waiting for an ESC kit and is okay with having a slightly used one, please let them know that I may have one. I will get online Saturday and post how the test drive went. Its not for sale yet, but very well could be. I just wanted to mention it here before I go onto a proper thread post it up...if that happens. Yes the kit is working 100%, and is damn fun.


Just curious what's the car?


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