You'll have to email him requesting the tune, much like all the other "special" tunes. One can probably assume they are not on the site because there are not many people out there requesting these tunes and going through the hassle of building them for every single CalID would be a gigantic waste of time when he could just handle it on a case by case basis. ;)

Thanks Malt, I have sent the email about a week ago so hopefully I will have a response in the new year.

Which email did you send your request to? Typically speaking for general inquiries you often get faster results by sending your request to sales@openflashperformance.com because Shiv's inbox is most certainly flooded 99.9% of them time. Sending it there will get one of his several employees attention probably faster as Shiv spends a good portion of his day on the dyno or tuning cars. I'm sure you can imagine if he had to respond to every single email he got, he wouldn't have much time to do the tuning that we all love. ;)

If you absolutely need to send your email to Shiv, make sure you include your forum name in the email so he knows what its in reference to. You can also tag him in your forum reply as a second means of notification like this @Shiv@Openflash

That being said, the vortech tune that currently exists may seem like a good starting place for an innovate tune but with my limited knowledge on tuning I can safely say that they would most certainly be VERY different tunes given the nature of the innovate kit and probably wouldn't be as good of a starting point as you may like to think. Also, I'm almost certain that the vortech tune that shiv has been giving out are in a .dev format instead of the .bin format, at least that was the case that I last heard. Be careful what you ask of him, we don't want another CJSporl fiasco here.

I definitely don't have any off the shelf tune for the innovate supercharger kit yet. In fact, I haven't even seen the kit in person at any of our local car meets. I would definitely put together a tune for one if I had a local car available to me.

Would it be possible to start with http://www.openflashtablet.com/Tunin...ing/index.html or is it best to find a local tuner? Would I be able to get my hands on the Vortech tune for starters? ZA1JA01D

The Vortech tune is not an appropriate baseline for the innovate kit. Listen to what people are telling you. If you want to use OFT with the innovate, find a tuner who is willing to use the OFT, but don't hold your breath as most FI tuners want to lock their tunes and not allow it to be read and copied by something like the OFT.

Otherwise, wait for someone local to Shiv with an innovate kit to show up and let him provide an open tune for everyone.

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Several of us have requested and received the Vortech tune from Shiv. I didn't even purchase my kit from him and he still provided it since the only requirement is you own the OFT. It's even in open .bin format, as opposed to locked .dev

Technically, that requirement is for all their tunes, they just happen to make the non-FI ones public on their website for anyone to download. I suspect they would email you the FI tune without actually confirming OFT ownership, since there have been many OFT's sold used and the subsequent owners are given the same privileges.

The beta versions of tunes were given to beta testers in Dev format to ensure consistent testing. The final revisions of each tune was released in bin format.

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Then in that case, they're completely public and not privy or semi-privy. Just gotta ask for the FI ones nicely and they'll e-mail them to you in .bin format. Nothing, at this point, is restricted to .dev format except perhaps their new in-house turbo kit tune which hasn't been released yet.

This is correct. All inquiring OFT customers are receiving FI tunes that are unencrypted. And we have a ton of customers running Turbo and SC and ESC systems at this time. The only time we supply maps in encrypted .dev format is early in development when we don't want customers to make any mapping changes for safety reasons. That will likely apply when we release our OFT350 kit in January.

Cheers,
shiv

I was being facetious. I'm sure you can be a **** and ask for it like you're entitled to it and Shiv will still give it to you. I think that's how it played out with CJSporl, come to think of it.

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I never even saw that question as it was buried in a thread that I was not keep track of. Plus, we have been on vacation since the 20th so I think I'm allowed a little slack ;)

Shiv,

Since it's been asked repeatedly by folks, is there a reason you don't have the FI tunes published for download like the other tunes? Just curious.

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Good to know. Any chance I can get my hands on a tune to get me started with the Innovate/Sprintex 210?

Unfortunately, I have never tuned (or even personally seen) an Innovate/Sprintex kit so we don't have any OTS maps available for it. Currently, we support SBD Turbo, Vortech SC and Phantom ESC. We will be supporting another turbo kit (our own) early next year.

I don't quite understand what you are getting at. We have been providing our customers with SBD, Vortech and Phantom tunes (all un-unencrypted) for a quite some time now. We have a few dozen FI customers who can vouch for that. If someone needs a map for their OFT, they just need to email me. I think we do a pretty good job of providing these stuff for free to all OFT customer.

Shiv doesn't have an Innovate/Sprintex 210 baseline because nobody local to him has brought the kit for him to tune yet.

I understand there is no Innovate/Sprintex tune but I will need something so I can drive without leaning out the car. Would it be safe to run the Phantom tune while I wait for the "Custom E-Tuning" process to start?

I dont think you can e tune a supercharger, especially without a base map to go off.

What's with the passive aggressive posting? I'm not posting on behalf of shiv, I'm trying to be helpful. Lets not let this topic turn into another OFT vs. other tuning solution thread with the locked vs unlocked debate. That horse was beaten to death LONG ago.

Shiv most likely doesn't release the FI kit tunes on the website because he doesn't have them already made around every single CalID and it's more time efficient to deal with the requests as they come in instead of building every single rom possibility. Has nothing to due with requesting the tune nicely, just a matter of good time management.


I'm not sure why you think ANY tune other than one designed around the innovate kit will work. As far as I'm aware, no tuner offers a baseline forced induction tune that is generic and works for any kit available and if they did I would be highly suspicious of that tune. The baseline tunes offered by other tuners are specific to each kit and are designed to just get you to a tuner to properly tune the car. As shiv doesn't have access to an innovate kit, has never seen one, and doesn't sell them, you have a couple options.

#1: Bring your car to shiv for proper tuning
#2: Wait for someone to bring an innovate car to shiv for tuning and he releases a base map.
#3: Find a local tuner who tunes with romraider and can provide a rom you can upload with your OFT.
#4: Use a different tuning solution for your innovate kit

The Phantom tune definitely will not work with the sprintex kit and attempting to do so will almost certainly result in engine damage.

Exactly! Why the hell would a tune for an Esc work for a traditional kit...although I think delicious tuning has a generic fi tune.

I don't think you understand the concept of tuning an FI platform enough. Please see a local tuner, or get the Innovate baseline tune before you blow your engine.

Custom E-Tuning is not an option for an FI kit that the tuner does not already have a baseline for, and each baseline is going to be specific to the various components of the FI kit in question - Intake, Boost, MAP sensor, Header, etc.

Basically, your baseline is going to get you over 90% of the way there, and for daily driving, can be considered "good enough". A custom tune on top of that will get you the rest of the way, if you need to get there, that is. Further, there's the additional argument that an e-tune will never replace a dyno tune as far as getting every last ounce of tweaking, so consider what your requirements and goals are to evaluate what makes sense.

All of that is well beyond the scope of your immediate need though - you need to get yourself an Innovate baseline tune. If you're trying to use another kit's FI tune as a starting point, you're likely better off just using the NA tune as your starting point.

Just a point of clarification, obviously foobar is not saying you should use the NA tune as your baseline to get you to the tuner once you have the kit installed. That would certainly result in a blown motor.

Right - I wouldn't drive on any tune not designed for the kit installed, but if your intent is to work with a baseline tune and you have some idea of how tuning works, then you're better off starting with the NA tune than with one designed for a completely different kit.

I do understand hence why I'm asking for a base or a half ass solution that I can use as a base...

Will look at switching solutions I guess; thanks for the help.

They are helpful when they are fact, which Foobar's post and others by shiv confirm it. But, by all means, continue on with your diatribe.

Malt is correct. Creating tune files for Stage 1, Stage 2 EL and 2 UEL for 91oct, 93oct and E85 AND also for every single one of the dozens of calibration IDs is a tremendous amount of work. And making sure they are good enough for public download is another challenge. Trying to do the same for FI kits is too much and potentially quite risky for both parties. Before providing our customers with FI tunes, I like to get info about your set-up to confirm that the supplied map is suitable (safe) for their particular application. I've seen people attempt to use certain FI maps for (wrong) applications where there was great potential for problem. I don't want to see people experience engine failure just because they made a mistake. Lastly, I don't understand what your issue is here.

Regards,
shiv

Is the combo offer still available, like with the proof of purchase of your open flash tablet and headers, the vortech supercharger has a discounted price?
Thanks.