1. Should be drivers education course.

Seat time > than any of those listed. Save some money and follow Dave-ROR's advice.

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25K off the lot for one of these? hmm I feel like this white one here is close to a Limited then a Premium :D

A base WRX hatch in Canada is over $31500, in the US it's $25500. Hell the base impreza wagon is $17800 in the us and $25500 here.

If you want a BRZ in Canada you're going to pay $30000 for the premium and probably $33000 for the limited.

Fuck Subaru. Buy the Scion. If it's $21000 for the Scion in the US then it should be $23000 here.

Just watch... if the scion is at least $6000 less than the base Subaru in Canada all of you owe me a Tim Hortons coffee, oh wait, I don't drink that swill.

if it's 24K and 26K... where will the STI version sit? 34K

I've been nervous about this, especially with how badly we've been being ripped off with the dollar either at parity or above the US dollar. I was hoping for an FR-S, and if we can get one up here for $23k, I'll swallow that. If they try and price gouge us on this and bump up a base FR-S to 25+, I'll wait for it to hit the used market on the cheap.

I have never seen Scion do this, but anything is possible on the FR-S.

I think bare bones is what they were after, to keep the price in the low $20k range, since the BRZ is at $24k.

I think we will see about a $2k difference in price.

FR-S at $22k
BRZ Premium at $24k

I am totally buying a BRZ now after today.

I noticed this discrepancy also...even the high-zoot models at the Tokyo Show and the track days had the same 17" wheels...

....actually, though, it makes me wonder how accurate the any of the information in this thread really is.

This is awesome news - If this stays true I can absolutely see the FR-S possibly being in the $21-22k range - I never thought I'd say that.


By the way, try to stay on topic guys.

FWIW:

@EdLoh can you please clarify? 7450 RPM @ 136 MPH in 6th = ~4100 RPM @ 75 MPH... that sounds like high RPM for freeway cruising speeds.

@EdLoh Can you clarify the weight discrepancy since Subaru press release says 2684 pounds? Thanks.

@deslock Wish I could. I kept asking about topend n this is from the JDM engineers. Not aero or electronically ltd, beyond the RPM cut.

@deslock All mfr weights are suspect. 2684 is likely JDM and may not include the 17s and other optional gear. SOA says 2770, we say 2800.

@deslock Back to topspeed; this could all be lost in xlation, but one engineer mumbled something about an unoffical cap of 220kmh. #gofigure

@EdLoh Thanks for the follow-up, and for all the info. 2770 lbs is a little more than I'd like, but I'm very excited about this car.

If the FR-S is much above $25k then everyone is going to keep buying Mustangs and Genesis Coupes. The Genesis Coupe has been selling VERY well in Canada, it's a unique value because Hyundai gives us the premium leather version with a $2500 to $4000 rebate which makes it the same or cheaper than the USA. < WE THE CANADIAN PEOPLE DEMAND PRICE PARITY!

but it does sound like they are doing their homework. at this price i can still see them selling the 3-4k a year. it seems like the plan is just to make enough of these things to change the images of scion toyota and subaru.

lol...a tim hortons reference..nice! I'm financing this car so... A scion finance rate is probably 2.9% for 60months, subaru being a "premium" model, would probably have a 5.9% rate...not cool

According to Inside Line,
2013 Scion FR-S To Hit U.S. Showrooms in Spring With Under-$30,000 Price Tag !

That could mean $29,999:mad0260: or $23,999 :w00t: , etc.
If they price it in the high 20k range, by the time you get it optioned out, you could be north of $30k! Not good.

With all the interest this the BRZ and FRS are generating, I hope the dealers don't push for a high MSRP. If they do, it will hurt them in the long run and the whole purpose of the car, to provide a fun and affordable driver's car for car lovers, would be lost.

There will probably be a BASE BRZ about $1300 cheaper than the premium. Around 22,700 for the absolute base price.

No, that's what the Scion FR-S is for.

i say $21k/$22k

LOL typo.. my brain was cornfused.

hope for 22.5k and i will be please if it's 21k

That's the same we basically got directly. I want the vented discs all around (which are standard on the FR-S so I'd be shocked if they aren't on all of the Subarus) and the Alcantara heated seats far more than I want the damn nav system :(

next to (with a gap in between) the push to start button.

Calculating tarrifs, shipping, the exchange rate of the Australian dollar being the same as the US dollar the entry level BRZ (given that Subie Australia gets their act together) should be no more than 30k!:w00t:

Now the wait begins.

My top secret source says that the Turbo is coming. Just not for 1 year. So make sure you and the other turbo guys don't bother going to the dealership for the 2013 model year. Kthxbye.

(just in guess, that was in fact sarcasm)

No one hates you for wanting Navi, I think most of us just don't want to pay for it as a standard feature. I don't have a problem with it being an option :thumbup:

Eh. I have a race car, my street cars no longer need to be track whores only. I would never drive a caged car on the street so I always had the conflict of whether or not I should keep it safe for the street, or make it as safe as possible at the track... having a pure track car that never sees the street is the way to go IMO but that requires a huge commitment.

So has it been confirmed if the Subaru version will have the jdm (good looking) HVAC knobs and whatnot? Also, is that May 2012 release date for US or for Japan?

Based on that post the only thing it includes over the Scion is the Nav and the telescopic wheel if you believe that the Scion doesn't have one (the guys there said it did not). The HIDs etc aren't confirmed in the premium (nor the limited for that matter).

Again.. I can't say this enough.. grain. of. salt.

I'll never buy a car for MSRP, let alone over. I'd rather wait 6 months.

In his defense he does have a lot of seat time already I believe. I still stand by what I said, learn the car and what it needs before making a massive parts list that you may find pointless after a few months on track with the car anyways.

Well my Subaru guys are saying only one version from Subaru anyways, but they admit that their info is just as likely incorrect as the MT guy.

How much info have we seen come through magazines "from Subaru" or "from Toyota"? I don't recall much of the info being very accurate....

A glimmer of sanity! I completely agree by the way. Except for the sales tax thing. Yay NH!

Triple Triple XL FTW.

BTW, I really am not trying to be negative towards the MT news. I just don't believe most of the details are accurate. Take some stuff away that the FR-S gives you, add one or two things, and charge 2-3k more? That's a failure and Subaru isn't that stupid. (or at least I'd hope not)

It will be entertaining to come back after Subaru actually releases information (NAIAS PLEASE!!!) to see who was the most accurate :)

We know you and Dragonitti are some of the most serious track guys on this forum.

Wow, no income tax either? Jealous! Well at least of the no sales tax, Texas is also on board with no state income tax.

Spin's been tracking for a long time.

I said that in a reply :)

Still, a caged car does NOT belong on the street so I hope for his sake that he doesn't drive a caged car around town.. one side impact and you will be dead. :(

No state income tax in Florida either :)

Of course I think we make it up in property taxes and property insurance... :(