so another 200 dollar cable deal.... Plus paying for software and the individual tunes everytime I add to my car.

The cable is 169 retail. The software is 199... there is no license to buy. So the entry point is $368 plus the tune... unless the tune costs $500 your still a good bit lower than EcuTek.

Or spend 668 and tune it yourself for life.. that is something no one else can offer right now.

Or wait two more years, spend 169 for a cable, use whatever opensource software develops support, and either tune it yourself or buy a tune.

I think you will start to see some hardware vendors providing base maps setup to work with their parts combinations before too long. The Entry point price for the pro version is low enough for them to make the maps available for a very minimal fee and again, there is no license to deal with.

It is going to be cheaper than Ecutek by a few hundred dollars.

From the way I understood things there is no way to lock a map so getting tuners onboard to email maps like with ecutek may be difficult.

You would likely be getting tunes from other members with the personal version. The pro tuner version mainly lets a tuner flash someone's ECU who doesn't own the software or cable. Unlike Ecutek a tuner can program the ECU without the user having to buy a license.

Ok, but if tuners aren't using it then we are on our own. I don't really want to rely on random people for tunes.

Yeah you would have to find someone local to tune it who had the Pro version.

There was also something I saw about a master/slave setup where a tuner could flash from remote but Epifan would have to talk about that. You would still need a cable.

I have already been contacted be a few who are interested, (tuners that is) it won't be long. Personaly, I would rather be able to go to the tuner of my choice for a tune rather than being forced to use an EcuTek tuner since it can often be difficult to find one in some areas. There is nothing to stop me from taking my car to any shop i want and handing them my laptop, with the personal version installed, and having them tune my car for me.

That is what the personal version is for, flashing tunes and logging only. The tuner creates the file for you, you install it.

The Lite version is for those who want to work with a tuner and is only able to load files and log.

But is there anything to keep someone with the Pro or Personal version from editing those maps? I was under the impression there wasn't. The maps aren't locked to a specific ECU or license key like Ecutek but maybe I'm wrong.

no, no you really don't

E-mail tunes have their drawbacks aswell, what you want is a tuner to tune YOUR car at a dyno, and then leave it the hell alone, that is the biggest real problem with these user-accesible options is that people feel because they can they should and that is rarely the case.

There are already Pro users in the states who have purchased the software recently. I think they are getting familiar with the features and tables before offering service.

Do you mean $669?

Personal users are unable to open a Pro file to edit it. Lite users have no editing function at all. Pro users save their files in a specific format that allows personal users to load it. They also have the option to save the file in the format that can be read by a Personal user if they choose.

Derp, yeah, maths fail... I already had a tactrix cable though and many of us on here that came over from subbie / mitsu land already have them.

It'd be nice if Epifan did a deal with the taxtrix guys for a discounted combo.

Thanks. Is there a strategy identified for spark retard vs iat?

Perfect, I was just going to ask that.

So if a vendor wanted to make a base map and give it away so users of their intake or exhaust or whateverwidgettheywant they could save the tune so it is un restricted. Equally, if you then go to a pro tuner with that base map for a dyno tune, they can choose to lock or not lock the tuned file. :party0030:

Yes, there is a IAT ignition compensation map. I believe the full list of maps was posted earlier in this thread.

I will be watching this.
Features that would basically seal the deal (who knows, some of these might already be there, I haven't looked into it)
Boost control, preferably adjustable in some way without a computer (most important)
launch control/two step (second most important)
Other exciting things like map switching that can happen (exciting but don't matter at the end of the day for me)

Is there anything stopping a Personal/Lite user from sending his map to another user for them to flash? Is there a unique key to tie to the end user software so maps cannot be shared between users?

Maps can't be shared between Personal/Lite users

They paid for a license, shouldn't they be able to load whatever map they please?

Or am i misunderstanding?

I was under the assumption that Personal/Lite users could not read a tune from their car. Does this also mean that if they edit a map file themselves, like the map they are given when they purchase, they cannot give that edited file to someone else?

The purpose of the Lite version is for non tuners who want to work with a pro user/tuner to get custom files created. This is why there is no editing available in the lite version. Im sure the the person or business that uses the Pro version would not want their intellectual property freely shared. This is why the software allows for an encryption of their work from Personal users. The pro version also has the ability to create a non encrypted file but that is up to the users decision.

Personal users can create their files freely but they are restricted from flashing files since the software is registered to the vehicle id and the registered OP 2.0 cable used to register the software initially. If you need to share a file a simple copy/paste function will still work. A little rough yes but still able to be done.

Yes you are correct on those functions.

This is great. Finally some real engine control for the extreme car nerds out there.

Thanks for the clarification. Looks like a good solution for both tuners and end users.

Just got my car tuned with BRZedit. Feels better. Have you guys personally tuned any cars @epifan?

Was your the first FR-S / BRZ they have tuned?

was the first FRS PRE has tuned.

Yep, that is what i meant, was it the first they tuned.. not was it the first car tuned, since i tuned mine weeks ago on BRZedit.

How did the numbers turn out?

Numbers were good. Waiting a while for me to drive the car and see how it feels. Then we are putting it back on the dyno to get final numbers. Possibly more tweaks later on as the tuner gets more familiar with the ECU.

Also looks like BRZedit came out with a launch control

Haven't seen any info on launch control.. I did play around with the rev limiters to see if one was stationary and the other was in motion but it just seems like only one of them works, the one set at 7450 stock.. don't recall if it is a or b.

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Anyone tuning a forced induction build with this yet?

Yes

The Edmunds FRS is using this service:

http://www.edmunds.com/scion/fr-s/20...mp-tuning.html

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Anyone figured how to do pure speed density with this yet?

LC + FFS have been tested with positive results will update software soon for customers.

Yes Mr Peterson has been doing a very good job testing the software function.