Here I can help you out and allow me to explain myself... we arnt talking molecules, just cars.

^^^True troll. You're trying to get a point across and it's not working. Turn on the signal lights of an FR-S and look at it from the front, then turn do the same with the BRZ. You're going to tell me they are the same? You must be blind. Scion and Lexus are Toyota you have no rebuttle on that so give it up. And as I look to the site and every where in here I see no option to upgrade the Subaru audio. By the way, my Scion dealership is a Toyota dealership as well ;) . I'm not sure if you know how to read but there are multiple Subaru dealerships that were blacklisted for marking up the prices. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...ight=blacklist <------ Thanks. I can get HID's for less than $500.

Yeah ive been here years to troll some rookie... please make sure you buy the scion, youll fit in well.

I look at it this way.. what car suits you and your style.. Because that's all it's about..styling

You can go to damn near any dealership and get invoice pricing, it may take a few walks to the managers desk but it'll happen. Believe me, dealerships are built to move metal not to hoard cars. Most people are just too scared to ask.

As far as both of these cars go let me ask you this. Are you going to gut the car the day you get it? If so get the car that's the cheapest and with the least options..Scion FRS

Or are you going to mildly mod this thing till the next gotta have it car comes out, only to trade in your FRS/BRZ.
Do you think that the econo FRS w/o heated seats, NAV, HID's, Keyless entry, Dual zone climate control, lighted vanity mirrors, etc...etc.. will be worth as much as a Limited Model BRZ?

Do you really think you'll keep this car more than 5 years? The average for the US is 57months of ownership until they buy something else.

We all know buying and modding cars is never going to make you money, but at least spend it wisely where and when you can. The FRS has it's unique niche just like the BRZ, figure out which one suits you and go for it.
Personally I like the creature comforts of the BRZ Limited and will likely swing that way. I mean c'mon who doesn't like their ass all toasty warm in the middle of winter!!:thumbup:

I live in FL, this is not a problem for me haha. Also FR-S is lighter than the BRZ and I dont need a huge piece of black plastic on my front bumper. FR-Society :party0030:

Stereotypical jerk. Your true colors have finally came out, you just don't like Scion. That's fine with me. Thanks for confirming my assumptions.

FRS 2,758 LBS/2806 lbs Manual/auto
BRZ Premium: 2,762 lbs/2,809 lbs Manual/Auto
BRZ Limited: 2,776 lbs/2,822 lbs Manual/Auto

LOLZ @ the weight difference. 18lbs...really. Takes approx 100 lb's to knock a tenth in the 1/4. Same theory applies to other motorsports as well.

Exterior styling is definitely different and that's a valid point. Also it's a good reason to put better aero gear on the car as well. Stock is lame imho.

Every lb helps! haha and I'd rather swap out headlights than an entire front bumper any day! ;)

Really? The bumper is probably 8 bolts and a bunch of plastic clips. Shouldn't take more than a few hours to swap. To swap the headlight housings you'll have to install ballasts, levelling motors, and all the interior switch work to control them. Swapping the headlights is most definitely more involved than swapping the bumper.

Chulooz, please stop feeding the newbies like they're trolls. http://allch-chcar.com/saved/blankface.gif

The FRS frontend is more popular. I still think the BRZ front end is better. Then again I liked the Mazda "smiley face" frontend.

If you can't appreciate criticism, you will not enjoy being here.

I meant cost-wise $$$

Cost wise? I think buying a bumper from the local Scion dealer is going to be A LOT cheaper than importing EDM HIDs from a GT86. $300 for the bumper vs. $1500+ for the HIDs. Even if you just get BRZ headlights for an FR-S that will be probably be at least $1000.

Actually, $125 not $1,500

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6189

If you think a $125 PnP kit is the same as factory HIDs you're terribly mistaken. Your other posts contain similar fallacies.

Just going off what I see in the forum. I don't know the difference between PnP and whatever else is out there. This is my first new car. I've only owned 3 in the past and they were 90's cars. I do not claim to be any type of car expert. Just repeating what I've been told, what I've seen, and what I've thus far learned. Thank you.

Quick tip.. Do your own research before you regurgitate someones crap ideas.
Non HID housing do not work like HID housings. Period.

The cutoff is wrong and can blind other drivers. If you don't know what I'm talking about then google it and learn more. Furthermore aftermarket HID setups can melt or discolor halogen housings. Lol and forget quality control a $125 kit compared to a factory setup is like a Bentley to a Kia.

It seems like you just want the FRS to be better than the BRZ and aren't really looking at this objectively. It's a cheaper version of the Toyota 86
just like the BRZ Premium. They cost less for a reason.

If you want as close to a clone of the JDM Toyota 86 GT Limited guess what you have to buy...that's right the BRZ Limited.

If you want a stripped down model buy the FRS or BRZ Premium. It's as simple as that. Don't use some BS weight issue or think you can just swap in a factory HID system to make the FRS a "better buy"

What's your major goal anyway. No offense but you don't seem very knowledgeable about these vehicles.

I like a number of guys on here have built full custom drift and drag cars.
Hell I still have my first '86 that I stroked, boosted and caged. So think about what you want to do with a new car that you'll be paying for most likely the next 60months.

$25k is alot of money to pay for a half assed project attempt. As it is I know these cars will be assaulted by all the fan boys, and stance losers that just have to get the new "86"

If you belong in any of those categories then do me a favor and commit to the FRS so the resale on my future BRZ stays higher. Maybe I'll buy a used FRS next year for cheap after all the fanboys toss 'em in ditches trying to gutter drop like Takumi......

You don't have to google anything, I'm sure we've all seen the bright blue headlights coming in the opposite lane, usually flickering because they weren't wired properly. That is what you get when you go the $125 route instead of taking the time to do it right. I would hate for the FR-S to become "that" car, but it seems like a lot of people are already looking to do the bulb swap :sigh:

I dont think youve noticed how politely Ive addressed your stupid comments, Ill step away from trend that now.

I dont 'just not like scion', I just dont like you. You lack the knowledge and respect to be a constructive part of this community. PM me when you are in Derby, Connecticut Id like to physically meet you.

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Wow, what a big man you are threatening me like a child. Get a life and get over yourself. :)

This thread becomes more useless by the day.

Yes they can and have. Looks like a lot of non first 86 car are currently being markup as high as $7000. Pure pricing is Scion's term for no haggling and has nothing to do with MSRP.

Which aftermarket parts are cheaper or more expensive in general for each brand? Subaru vs Toyota.
I know most parts, or almost all parts are interchangeable, but in a pinch one might a certain part earlier then the next, and I might not be willing to eat the cost, and just wait.

Just wondering. Only owned Toyotas, never touched a Subaru

I cant think of any aftermarket parts that wont cross both models aside from cosmetics... they will be comparable, but I expect to see more coming from Subaru interested companies.

...I don't think it's in the form of just a straight markup--HOWEVER... some Toyota/Scion dealers are adding $995 window tinting, $995 Thermoguard, different rims, overpriced LoJack, overpriced alarms... etc, etc, etc.

I think I got pretty luck with mine. Just a bumper protector and floor mats from what I can tell anyway.

Did they charge you for the floor mats? If so, you may want to go back and point out to them those were standard equipment.

Oh... Which mats are considered standard?

This cloth mats with the FR-S logos. Check the SCION.COM website for confirmation. Of course, if you've signed the deal, there may not be much of an out for you. This is unusual for Scion/Toyota, they usually do charge for them.

The scion dealer around me is as scummy as they come so I went with the Subaru dealer that my family has dealt with in the past.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...or_comparison/

I hear more and more professionals saying the BRZ is better...like the guy in this article ^

Just sayin =P

Actually, floor mats come standard according to my window sticker, though, the matching trunk mat isn't ($95). The bumper applique is listed on the sticker as $69, and the Whiteout paint color itself was $220.

...I could do without the applique, but it was already on the car, and I can live with the trunk mat. The sales girl was nice and the finance didn't just beat the Toyota/Scion interest rate--he beat it twice and had me re-sign our contract, so I'm good. They didn't do any ridiculous add-ons like the other local dealers we visited, so I'm okay to leave things as-is. :)

Didn't realize you were talking about the trunk mat, you are correct that's an add-on.

Yup, but it's a reasonable one, I guess. The other dealerships we visited had $495/$995 window tinting, $496/$995 Thermoguard, and $995 alarm or $3000 rims added, so my 2 add-ons were pretty minute in comparison.

I would still recommend them over most other dealerships in the area.

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How was your experience in purchasing your FR-S?

I was one of the 1st86 so it was a relatively decent experience, although mine was probably closer to your experience (standard purchase, no real fanfare) than some of the West Coast 1st86er's experiences!

No add-ons for mine, but I did have a very unreasonable doc fee of $599 which is standard at the particular dealer I used on all deals. Unfortunately I was locked in because of the 1st86 program.

There were threads started by members here of markups without added features. In other words straight markups. This was during initial release/first allotments. May be different now.

my opinion on the frs vs. brz.
 

before the cars were released and i thought the only differences were the badges i planned on going with the brz, simply for the subaru badge. (call me shallow, i know.)

but now that they're out and i've done more research i definitely want the frs more. even though the brz has the "premium" interior, i feel like overall the car has a cheaper feel to it. this is just my opinion and the feeling i get when i look at the 2. the parts that give me this impression are the front bumper- something about how much black plastic there is and the grill material combined with the different shape makes it seem less agressive. the front fender- i love how the frs has the 86 badge on it, imo both cars should be wearing that badge. the brz looks cheaper with just a line over a fake vent there. inside, the plain silver piece as opposed to the textured black piece in the frs makes it feel boring and unfinished as well as the plain black tach in the brz. the white back in the frs makes it pop. and draws your attention to the most important part.

but probably most of all i want the more lively suspension tuning they put on the frs.

now obviously these are both great cars and these are just my opinions, i haven't even seen the brz in person this is just going off of pics i've seen. but this is the feeling i get from both cars and i'm glad the frs's seem to be easier to get!

This should probably be in the comparisons forum and not the member journals forum.

I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinions.. even if they are wrong.. :fighting0040:

j/k


I think the suspension tuning is a worthless comparison because I suspect most of us will use aftermarket parts.. and they will render the stock suspension tuning a non-factor.

I like the BRZ front end much more.. I think the FRS nose sticks out too far like a snout and sort of looks funny.

I do agree with you on the interior trim pieces.. the BRZ silver does nothing for me. I think I like th FRS gauges a little better as well..

I disagree on the fender trim.. While I like the 86 logo, it's much too small on that space and the rest of that panel looks really awkward and bad. The BRZ is fender insert is much nicer.. expecially with the silver optional trim piece that I opted for.

For me.. the NAV was supposed to make the BRZ well worth the added money.. unfortunately, it's a crappy nav system. Still, the HID's, the subaru name, the exclusivity, the front end, and the seat materials make the Subaru easily the better choice.

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My thoughts are if you keep the suspension tuning stock and go to better stick tires it's going to create a little more understeer, which should make the FRS more neutral and the BRZ push more. Just my opinion.

My opinion on the matter is why do you think yours matters more than anyone else's?

This has been rehashed over and over for months and months. People are going to pick the car they like. That either of these cars exist is what is awesome. No need for divisiveness.

Also I got OEM HID, eat it :p.

From the get go I was open to getting any version of the car. I just looked at what each was offering and decided, based on looks and equipment, the BRZ premium was the best value to me. The only thing I would like is the rear spoiler, so hopefully I can get one soon.

I want a spoiler as well.. but I'm not sure yet which spoiler I want.. The TRD duckbill is pretty cool. Plus I'm sure there will be a dozen other options coming soon.

Call me spoiled, I like my leather and push button start. Honestly though, while the silver may not do much for people the climate controls and radio look way better on my BRZ. Do wish I had the FRS tach though.