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once i accidently busted a left foot brake on my friends dodge caravan.. i just had a brain fart as we were commin to a dip in the road and i thought it had a clutch and i pressed the brake as if it were a clutch pedal.. it was the funniest thing i have ever done in a car.. we were busting up forever.. we were commin from a party with some alcohol in our system..

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Originally Posted by RegisBou (Post 6348)

Yea I meant in the manual version. Like a 300$ option or something.

Wouldnt it be nice if you got injured or something yet u still want to carve some roads? Most likely increase Auto-X times etc...

The question still stands then "Why?". I remember you talking about your injury, and understand your situation, but are you able to drive a manual car?

I'm being sincere here, a rev matching option is fine for autos/sequential boxes/ DCTs... but really, it makes no sense on a small, light, manual driver's car that is for fun weekend blasting around the back roads.

The rev matching offered in the manual Z isn't going to help a competent driver go any faster, or a driver with a disability pull of any operation that he couldn't without it.

only thing I'm afraid of is the gauge cluster it will have a lot of digital stuff like RPM, speedometer, and other stuff I feel better if its analog and its reliable. anyone here like the all digital cluster? i feel like that the trend on the up coming cars like the CRZ.

here is the CRZ production interior look
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d..._crz_hi006.jpg

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Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1 (Post 6350)

I'm being sincere here, a rev matching option is fine for autos/sequential boxes/ DCTs... but really, it makes no sense on a small, light, manual driver's car that is for fun weekend blasting around the back roads.

The rev matching offered in the manual Z isn't going to help a competent driver go any faster, or a driver with a disability pull of any operation that he couldn't without it.

True, but it does help newbie ppl who is interested in racing world to learn what is rev matching.

...but I gotta say for myself, I don't need it. It's waste of weight & money.

I understand where ya'll are commin from.

I mean i can kinda drive ok now.

It is a great feeling to be able to revmatch while braking and do it successfully but sometimes it can be nice to not have to worry about stuff.

I mean regardless I am getting this car, just it would be kinda cool to be able to have this as a feature you can pay for as long as it has a on/off switch.

Yea all digital clusters = i dunno lol

kinda like DBW vs. throttle cable set up, just not as organic a feel anymore

As long as it is more reliable than a traditional setup i am all for it.

WRT to the rev matching;

Me personally, I don't need or want it in a manual car. I do see the appeal, and think it'd actually be a neat feature.

However, it implicates having drive by wire, and an ECU capable of tuning it which
a) Will mess with the driving feel and
b) affect ease of tuning.

Which are serious negatives in a car of the alleged nature of the FT-86.

I'm from the Collin Champan school of though. Add lightness and simplify. No need for the extra sensors, weight, complexity etc etc etc.

Well if toyota is considering NOT going with a DBW system then yes forget about the rev-match!

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Originally Posted by RegisBou (Post 6376)

Well if toyota is considering NOT going with a DBW system then yes forget about the rev-match!

Sorry man, didn't know about the injury. I personally don't like it because it allows everyone to do something only practiced drivers used to be able to do. It kind of takes the uniqueness away.

Yea I felt the same way at first when I heard about it on the 370z.

I still do :P

Sometimes though it is fun to just slam it into 2nd from 3rd and have the car do the rest for you :)

Problem with not having DBW these days is emissions.. DBW allows the manufacturer to tune the map for the best performance (i.e. Co2). I certainly prefer a cable throttle, guess we'll have to wait and see what toyota can do.

Yea my scion xa (2006) while only being a 1.5litre is a cable system.

So hopefully the boxer only being 2litre with the Direct injection will be enough emissions wise to negate the DBW system. Less of a headache for the engineers too!

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Originally Posted by firsk8ter (Post 6335)

Not saying that this is what they would do but It could be that they might have the subaru variant AWD turbo and leave the RWD toyota with a performance package option wich includes turbo wider tires etc. If the toyota is gonna be around 2,700lbs I would imagine it to be around 2,800lbs with the turbo variant! This will leave ppl with more options! They can go with a light N/A RWD platform for around $18-21k to a slightly heavier turboed one around $23-27k. Or a plaform thats more suitable for harsh weather condition with the subie wich will probiably weight in at about 3,000lbs via AWD at about $29-31k!(takes more then just 2 axles to have AWD hence the weight and price)! Best performance bargian of course being the RWD turbo ft-86 costing less $ then the subaru but lighter as well with better MPG. Though subaru will have its awd that will make it a none the less awesome rally machine with a low weight ratio compared to current competitors like the EVO!!! The ft-86 toyata could aford to have a little less hp then the subaru variant! toyota at around 240hp and subie at about 260hp will give them (about) same 0-60 and 1/4 mile times for magazine and advertisement purposes plus the bump in power for the sti version will give a better reason for the hiegher price tag! Maybee subie could sale a lesser HP variant as well! And if toyota was smart they would sell something like a TRD CAI (that does not void warranty) too bump the HP to about 260 or more,some stiffer suspension etc! That way they can make a few hundred more bucks!

Too you guys that were being asses 2 what I wrote before acting like you did not understnd what I said! The ft-86 g sport apperantly goes off of what I was talking about! Just saying dont be homos if I suggest something! We are all going after the same thing here! And toyota Is listening!!!

I understand why you'd want a rev-matching option, but why is it so damned important? to be honest you could probably find an aftermarket option no problem...maybe even slap it together yourself...
I also ask why because half the fun of driving a manual is being in the moment, having COMPLETE control of the situation, even if that means you f' up that moment with a delayed shift or whatnot. I'm not saying it's terrible to not have the biggest and the baddest (F1 paddles sound cool too) but at the same time there is something exotic, unique, and special about doing it old school. I remember someone once telling me that it doesn't really matter what car you drive, it matters how you drive it; he was comparing us to a volvo (which aint that bad back in the day I'll tell you) and how a pro-driver could run circles around us no problem.

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Originally Posted by firsk8ter (Post 7638)

Too you guys that were being asses 2 what I wrote before acting like you did not understnd what I said! The ft-86 g sport apperantly goes off of what I was talking about! Just saying dont be homos if I suggest something! We are all going after the same thing here! And toyota Is listening!!!

Ha...no, we're not, especially if you want rev-matching in this car. Then we want completely different cars. Then there are people that want a V6 with twin's on it, pushing ~400 hp in factory form, cause power is all that matters, and if it doesn't have that then the car's not even worth a second thought.

So no, we're not all after the same thing. I want a car that actually pays true homage to the AE86. Most others just want a car that'll go ricky bobby fast down a highway!!

How the hell is it so hard to rev-match on your own anyways? A little practice in your car and you should have it down pat. I can rev-match in the 86 no prob.