Originally Posted by cassidy0998 (Post 152285)

I by no means called anyone stupid. It was a general statement of common sense referring to those who do not have to worry about price when making a purchase.

Originally Posted by grst1 (Post 151914)

I would actually disagree to that... Last thing SoA wants is people like us to start pulling of from pre-orders. It will be a very bad sign and these cars will indeed sit on dealer's lots. Because if it won't make sense for car nuts like us who lost their sleep over this car to get it - they might have difficulties convincing the other 99% of population to get unpractical underpowered RWD car.

I am sure SoA won't screw us up for that reason. No way in hell this car will touch 30K. 24P, 26L. 27 is the most I will pay for L. After that I am out. Or if my dealer ever mention anything about mark-up. I not gonna lose my sleep over it ever again... I had enough of that with BRZ already. At this point it is simply http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/z...ertap-gigi.gif

Originally Posted by jdrxb9 (Post 151936)

I skimmed this thread, but it seems noone has mentioned the real question I have: will we know the price of the FR-S before Subaru starts delivering BRZs?

For me, getting the price of the BRZ even as late as delivery isn't a big deal - unless you have a non-refundable deposit, you can always just say no.

But if I have to make the decision to accept my BRZ without knowing the price of the FR-S, it will be a little bit tough. I'd hate to sign the papers on a 25K premium and then find out 2 weeks or a month later that the FR-S is going to start at 22K!

Originally Posted by cassidy0998 (Post 151961)

Personally, I feel as though Subaru and Scion are taking advantage of the situation (and us for that matter) by holding out on the price. And I don't respect that.

A few of you are saying "Don't worry about the price, it'll be fine" - Well good for you, you must have all of the money in the world and you probably haven't made very good decisions throughout your life in regard to vehicle purchases.

I will not pay more for this car than I think it's worth, and I think it would be fair for Toyota/Subaru to release the price of the car so we can prepare for the purchase. We need time to make plans and think about our options - but that's exactly what they are taking away from us.

There is absolutely no excuse.

If this car was going to be cheap they would have released an official price by now. They are going to jack it up and screw those of us over who just say "I waited this long... so I'll get it... and it's $4k more than I expected... and there's a $2500 dealer markup... ohhh wellllll." This car is absolutely not worth it. Don't be blinded into the thought that this car is some kind of magical unicorn that is going to turn you into a famous race car driver. It's just going to be a "kind of" light weight rwd car that's underpowered and doesn't get as good mpg as its competitors. Toyota and Subaru are telling you it's going to be special just so when they release the car, the price will THEN be out, and many of us will just rush out and buy it, regardless of price - because we've been waiting...waiting...waiting.

If the FR-S was going to cost $20k, they would be bragging left and right about it. That hasn't happened. Hyundai, Ford and other companies have already released prices for their new models that are coming out in a few months. Scion and Subaru should do the same.

Originally Posted by brianbot5000 (Post 152350)

Not trying to troll, but I have to say - this thread reminds me of the scene from "Swingers" where he gets the girl's phone number, and goes from being head over heals for her to "ending the relationship" - all in the course of a few minutes (and on her answering machine) before they even went out on a single date.

Some folks here started on cloud nine, were just completely gaga for the car, and are now going the other direction of being totally pessimistic without actually having any knowledge of what they're being pessimistic about.

Being overly enthusiastic only builds up the car to unattainable levels, which will then only lead to disappointment - whether it be specs, options, or price. Relax, let the information come out and then go from there.

Originally Posted by 86'd (Post 152297)

I kinda get your point.

I think most people that buy this car (and any car for that matter) will go into debt to buy it. And most people have done this in the past.

But to be upset that the car's price is being held and that dealers will ask for over MSRP, shouldn't really be a surprise.

I was trying to ignore that fact, but it looks to be the case that when the car comes out it will be more expensive then I thought. So, I plan on waiting for a bit.

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 152360)

No one is upset that dealers are selling over MSRP. People are upset when they are *lied* to about what to expect and then have a "regional market adjustment" added. That is what people are upset about, nothing else. It's no different from calling Sears, order a $1,000 set of tools that you want, then when they arrive at Sears and you go to pick them up the price jumps to $1,250 just because Sears feels that they have you by the balls.

It's perfectly understandable and acceptable to be upset at such a lie and to walk away from the sale.

Originally Posted by bneale (Post 152295)

So somehow people with boatloads of money don't have much common sense?

that doesn't exactly seem correct to me. I think your broad brush strokes are showing again.

bneale

Originally Posted by tachi1247 (Post 152330)

I doubt the time at when pricing is announced has anything to do with what the cost will be. Pricing to within $1k was probably determined over a year ago. Cars don't make it this far without a certain price point they are trying to hit. That is how they decide what features to make standard and what to make optional and how to package them together.
As for ford & hyundai, they dont have any new models coming out in the next few months, only updates to existing ones which is a totally different scenario. There is no backlog of orders for the new genesis coupe.

With that stated, you typically can't have it both ways when a new car comes out. You either want it right away in which case you pay the price whatever it is (you already know the ballpark) or you find out the price and then decide if you want one. To be honest, at this stage of launch, subaru & toyota don't care a whole lot about customers in your situation. They have already got people lined up to buy them so from their side the money is in hand. Besides, if your budget is that tight, is it really a smart financial move to be buying a car at msrp just to be first? In 6-9 months these will be available at some figure much closer to invoice.

Originally Posted by cassidy0998 (Post 152446)

I understand what you are saying. However, there are consistent rumors of the BRZ going anywhere from $23k to $30k+. I am not in a financial crisis, and buying or not buying this car will not hurt me in any way. I feel like I know what this car is worth to me, and it aggravates me to see hype fuel the car's price. If it's priced right, I think it will do very well. If it's priced too high, it may do very poorly. I want the car to succeed. The performance of the car exists within certain boundaries of a price I do not care to exceed paying for, as to me it is not worth it - That is why I want it to stay cheap. So I can justify the purchase.

Originally Posted by gt86mods (Post 152597)

I don't know what the big problem is here. In the US this car will sell for cheaper than in most countries around the world. Toyota & Subaru have to find a happy medium between profit & recouping their manufacturing costs and for the US market that takes a LOT of consideration. They may have to change some parts or materials to make the car more profitable for them. Not to menton the car JUST went into production a couple days ago in Japan and there is already a huge 7+ month waiting list over there. I'm sure their priority is to get the first produced cars to people in the motherland before worrying about people in the US who will be getting this car at a bargain by comparison.

People need to chill the fuck out and stop looking at this all from a one sided ansy-pants consumer point of view. A lot of consideration goes into the price of a vehicle, everyone on this forum is completely jumping the gun and getting all upset about something all companies do. When the e92 M3 came out I was on a waiting list for over 10 months, I never once bashed BMW or made outrageous claims just because it took so long. I sat pretty & waited, it was worth the wait.

Originally Posted by Ryephile (Post 151990)

^^that's been my theory for a while; that they're waiting for the Yen/Dollar ratio to improve so they can maximize their profits to SoA. Just in the past month the ratio has improved about 5%, so that's something.

Originally Posted by Longhorn248 (Post 152608)

Aside from lumping all the members of the forum into one group, I do agree that sitting pretty and waiting is the best thing to do. Speculation is fine (otherwise we wouldn't have anything to talk about) but at some point you just gotta be patient and wait for the info to come out. If I get the car next month, great, if it takes a couple more, that's fine too. No need to get overly worked up about something you have no control over.

Originally Posted by gt86mods (Post 152597)

I don't know what the big problem is here. In the US this car will sell for cheaper than in most countries around the world.