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ichitaka05 11-02-2009 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Shevon (Post 3362)
O you know TRD will throw thier own on there if they did.

& they gonna have a lot of :mad0259:
Cuz it's boxer engine, so it's gonna be hard to figure all out to fit SC in there. Oh it's possible, just a lot of :mad0259: for engineer ppl

Jordo! 11-03-2009 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by NESW20 (Post 2916)
if i'm not mistaken, often times rally cars don't run wastegates, they just let the boost spike as high as it will go, and it trails off at higher rpms due to the restricter.

as far as turbo'd n/a engines, it's alllll in the tuning (well, mostly). you could run 5psi and blow your ring lands to pieces, or you could 10psi and have a safe, reliable engine. tuning, fuel, and maintenance.

-Mike

Ehh... yeah, the tune is key, but there are mechanical limits to how great cylinder pressures can be before something gives. You can break a piston even on a perfect tune.

Turbo motors just tend to have beefier internals to withstand the greater pressures exerted on everything.

Now of course, throw some detonation in there and everything from a melted piston crown to a broken rod and cracked block can happen. Even a stout motor can be destroyed in short order with a poor tune.

I'm really hoping that TRD does the R&D for me so I know what the limits are.

On a related note, in a recent interview, Tada, Toyota's chief engineer for the project, claimed 230 bhp was do-able.

If 230 is Toyota's upper target, then perhaps another 10-20% more power could be made before something breaks, given that OEM's tend to stay well below the mechanical limits of an engine.

Richardcranium419 11-03-2009 11:47 AM

I am already planning a 2.7 stroked built motor, with big turbo. ;)
My current car is an STI with built 2.35 stroked motor, w/ GT35R turbo. ;)

aspera 11-06-2009 10:45 AM

2.7 liter...that sounds like a Crawford Performance clone. :)

Hachi Roku n/a guys, do you have something against anti-lag? If you want crisp on/off throttle response AND turbo power...anti-lag might be the ticket.

Detonation: Hrmmm...what kind of modern fuel injection works really well on turbo engines and allows detonation to be controlled? (Clue: Subaru cars have the turbos, Toyota has direct injection technology.) The engine can't detonate if it doesn't have any gasoline in the cylinder yet. ;)

I'm shocked that nobody brought up dry sump lubrication in this thread yet. The FT86 is pretty low.

White Comet 11-06-2009 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by aspera (Post 3712)
2.7 liter...that sounds like a Crawford Performance clone. :)

Hachi Roku n/a guys, do you have something against anti-lag? If you want crisp on/off throttle response AND turbo power...anti-lag might be the ticket.

Anti-lag ain't cheap.

mojo jojo 11-06-2009 01:50 PM

hhmmmm... direct injection twin charge a viable option? VW just did it with their hybrid Toureg

ichitaka05 11-06-2009 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by White Comet (Post 3721)
Anti-lag ain't cheap.

That's not always true. I'm not sure bout US, but in Japan it's pretty much do with how turbo & ECU is set up, so it comes out to be fairly cheap... At the same time my cousin told me that his friend did it to friend's Evo (I think it was Evo VI), he had to pay double of money, due to engine blow, after 6 month. So he had to rebuild it from ground up and took it off the anti-lag.
He said that it was nice response, but at the same time, didn't feel much difference in mid to high range response.

OldSkoolToys 11-06-2009 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by aspera (Post 3712)
2.7 liter...that sounds like a Crawford Performance clone. :)

Hachi Roku n/a guys, do you have something against anti-lag? If you want crisp on/off throttle response AND turbo power...anti-lag might be the ticket.

Or just an N/A free-revving peppy engine with pretty much instant throttle response, like the 4A-GE.

Turbos need not apply, could care less really. Its more about the weight, size, and engine response.

White Comet 11-06-2009 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 3744)
That's not always true. I'm not sure bout US, but in Japan it's pretty much do with how turbo & ECU is set up, so it comes out to be fairly cheap.

in North America anyway, I don't know of too many built up Subies with anti-lag. Can't speak for Evos.

scape 11-06-2009 10:27 PM

http://www.rallycars.com/Cars/bangbang.html

sounds like a great way to turn your engine into mush... what's the longevity of a turbo'd engine with anti-lag?

TRDMAN 11-06-2009 11:36 PM

when you say toyota 1gr are you talkin about the 1GR-FE in the tacoma? that engine is big a hell but its got good power.

NESW20 11-08-2009 12:23 AM

anti-lag will drastically reduce the life span of a turbo. not ideal if you're going to be offering a warranty on a new car.

-Mike

OldSkoolToys 11-08-2009 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by NESW20 (Post 3855)
anti-lag will drastically reduce the life span of a turbo. not ideal if you're going to be offering a warranty on a new car.

-Mike

I predict that if someone has a turbo'd FT-86, they really shouldn't be worrying about a warranty anymore anyways.

Jordo! 11-08-2009 05:54 AM

A nice roots blower would make the car feel like it just has a larger displacement engine. No lag and a nice flat torque curve. That's what I want, but I certainly won't turn down a turbo or even a centrifugal blower if TRD offers one to save me the headache of R&D.


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