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therealstoly 12-07-2020 08:05 PM
Unless you have a medical reason that requires you to have an automatic transmission; given the choice, you should get the manual. If for no other reason; every year sees a decrease in cars available with a manual transmission. You owe it to yourself, your children, and the car community as a whole to +1 the number of manual transmissions sold.

Dadhawk 12-07-2020 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by soundman98 (Post 3391382)
toyota tacoma is available in manual transmission as well. it is possible to be a truck enthusiast...
True, I was just listing the ones from that one article that didn't cover trucks. That was also 2020. The 2021 list is shorter, but does include trucks. (I'm also assuming this is US as well given there are others with standards in other countries)

Aston Martin Vantage Coupe
BMW Series 2
Chevrolet Camaro and Spark
Ford Bronco and Mustang
Genesis G70
Honda Civic
Hyundai Accent, Veloster
Jeep Gladiator and Wrangler
Kia Forte and Soul
Mazda 3
Mini Hardtop, Convertible and Clubman
Porsche Boxster, Cayman and 911
Subaru Crosstrek, Impreza
Toyota Corolla, Tacoma
Volkwagen Golf, Jetta

the Twins are absent because there is no 2021 model.

And of course, you can always get a motorcycle, although technically its not "rowing" on a bike.

2022 will include the Twins and the CT5-V Blackwing CT4-V Blackwing.

Dadhawk 12-07-2020 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by therealstoly (Post 3391393)
You owe it to yourself, your children, and the car community as a whole to +1 the number of manual transmissions sold.
Well, the only way to do that is to order it that way. Otherwise, you're not really adding one to the fleet. Still, I intend my next ICE to have a standard transmission, if its available, but it will not be the deciding factor in which car I buy.

Ultramaroon 12-07-2020 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3391301)
Oh god do we really need TWO MT vs AT threads going at once?
Isn't this fun? You know you love it.

NMmatt 12-07-2020 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 3391406)
Isn't this fun? You know you love it.

I have been lurking on this forum for 5 years and I felt compelled to make this my first post. You are an evil genius!


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Turdinator 12-07-2020 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 3391030)
nut up and get the stick
I say this to my better half sometimes but I am starting to think she also prefers an auto....

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Originally Posted by Goingnowherefast (Post 3391349)
Oh wow, sorry I should have put an "Automatic driver trigger warning!" on the top of my last post.

Again, it's cool that people buy automatics for personal reasons with these cars. But at least with the BRZ/86, the data is pretty ironclad that it is the worse transmission option, which is seldom the case these days.
I have owned a manual car for nearly the last 20 years, they haven't always been my daily driver but they have always been my preferred cars to drive. By preference I wouldn't drive a car with a motor under 3.0l without a manual g/box. That out of the way saying "Oh wow, sorry I should have put an "Automatic driver trigger warning!" on the top of my last post." makes you sound like a twat.

The BRZ/FRS/86 with manual g/box is better only when you are talking about stock and near stock performance. The better economy and ease of use are proven benefits of the auto and are a higher priority for many, many people. Here in Melbourne Australia I see just as many middle aged women in sparkling clean, stock 86s cruising around as I see obviously modified 86s. Just because the performance gains of the manual box are important to you and many people on the forum does not, by a long way, mean it is important to everyone, or even the majority of 86/BRZ/FRS owners.

Ultramaroon 12-07-2020 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by NMmatt (Post 3391417)
I have been lurking on this forum for 5 years and I felt compelled to make this my first post. You are an evil genius!
OMG! Welcome! Come in! Can I get you anything? :clap:

soundman98 12-07-2020 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by NMmatt (Post 3391417)
I have been lurking on this forum for 5 years and I felt compelled to make this my first post. You are an evil genius!


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Joyride86 12-07-2020 11:20 PM
People always go crazy over this topic. Since you've driven a manual before, did you enjoy it? Only you really know that answer. If you did and you want to get better at it, go for the manual. If not and it brought too much anxiety for a myriad of reasons, go auto. Just remember, it's all about having fun. I think you'll get a lot of that regardless if you pick a manual or automatic.

Ultramaroon 12-07-2020 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Turdinator (Post 3391424)
I say this to my better half sometimes but I am starting to think she also prefers an auto....
So many ways to respond. All of them wrong.

JesseG 12-08-2020 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 3391377)
So, for 2021, the enthusiast has these slim pickings, per Motor Trend. Still some decent but limited choices:

Aston Martin Vantage
BMW 2 and 4 Series
Chevrolet Camaro, Spark
Chevrolet C7 Corvette (if you can find a new one)
Dodge Challenger
Fiat 124 Spider
Ford Mustang
Genesis G70
Honda Accord, Civic and Fit
Hyndai Accent, Elantra GT, Veloster
Kia Forte, Forte GT
Lotus Evora
Mazda 3, MX-5
Mitsubishi Mirage
Nissan 370Z, Versa
Subaru Impreza/WRX/STI
Toyota Corolla, Yaris
Volkswagen Golf/Golf GTI, Jetta
Subaru BRZ / Toyota 86
Porsche Boxter, Cayman, 911

And those pickings are unfortunately getting slimmer every year. I applaud the companies who are keeping the manual alive. I can see Honda, Subaru, and Lotus being some of the last companies that will offer a manual. Ford has also been great about always offering a manual with the Mustang, but I’m worried for that in the future. Same with the Camaro.


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JesseG 12-08-2020 12:27 AM
Manual vs Automatic (Help!)
 
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Originally Posted by Turdinator (Post 3391424)
I say this to my better half sometimes but I am starting to think she also prefers an auto....



I have owned a manual car for nearly the last 20 years, they haven't always been my daily driver but they have always been my preferred cars to drive. By preference I wouldn't drive a car with a motor under 3.0l without a manual g/box. That out of the way saying "Oh wow, sorry I should have put an "Automatic driver trigger warning!" on the top of my last post." makes you sound like a twat.

The BRZ/FRS/86 with manual g/box is better only when you are talking about stock and near stock performance. The better economy and ease of use are proven benefits of the auto and are a higher priority for many, many people. Here in Melbourne Australia I see just as many middle aged women in sparkling clean, stock 86s cruising around as I see obviously modified 86s. Just because the performance gains of the manual box are important to you and many people on the forum does not, by a long way, mean it is important to everyone, or even the majority of 86/BRZ/FRS owners.

I don’t know I agree with all of that, and I usually agree with most everything from the land Down Under. [emoji16] You guys and gals are awesome.
I think, just in my opinion, that a car like the FRS/86/BRZ will always be more fun and engaging to drive with a manual over an automatic. Now on something like an Accord Sport for instance, I don’t think it transforms the car. It will always be a large sedan. The connected feeling with my car is amazing, and the auto would ruin that. I 100% understand why people choose the auto option for the twins, or any other car. It sucks to drive a manual in heavy traffic, which is what most people face on the daily commute. But the 86/BRZ are at their best with a manual, and I’m still a little surprised that an auto was ever offered. Subaru has traditionally gone with manual only in the WRX STI, and for many years the WRX also. (It’s a travesty they offer the WRX with a CVT, that is wrong on so many levels)


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Turdinator 12-08-2020 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by JesseG (Post 3391458)
I don’t know I agree with all of that, and I usually agree with most everything from the land Down Under. [emoji16] You guys and gals are awesome.
I think, just in my opinion, that a car like the FRS/86/BRZ will always be more fun and engaging to drive with a manual over an automatic. Now on something like an Accord Sport for instance, I don’t think it transforms the car. It will always be a large sedan. The connected feeling with my car is amazing, and the auto would ruin that. I 100% understand why people choose the auto option for the twins, or any other car. It sucks to drive a manual in heavy traffic, which is what most people face on the daily commute. But the 86/BRZ are at their best with a manual, and I’m still a little surprised that an auto was ever offered. Subaru has traditionally gone with manual only in the WRX STI, and for many years the WRX also. (It’s a travesty they offer the WRX with a CVT, that is wrong on so many levels)
Like every country we have our share of douches don't worry about that!

I personally agree with your points but I haven't driven an auto twin to know for sure. When I was buying mine there was never any doubt I'd be buying the manual. I enjoy the extra connection to the car. I am just saying that different people want different things from a car and what I think is better won't inherently be better to someone else.

I even think CVTs aren't as bad as people say once you are used to them :scared0016:
(I wouldn't want one on a twin tho)

JD001 12-08-2020 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by soundman98 (Post 3391373)
would have to confirm with someone from across the pond @JD001, but i believe in the EU, 'standard' is the typical definition for a manual transmission...

i'm under 50 and i know exactly what a 'standard' transmission is...
'Standard' is MT, however the scene is changing with AT becoming a more common offer. Some sports cars now only offered in AT format such as the Alpine..


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