Engine swap recommendation: 3JZ

Why go 1JZ or 2JZ when you can go 3JZ....right? right? and no one else has one, you'd be the first!

What am I missing here?

Summerwolf said:

"Edmunds say Nissans lose 46% of value after one year."

I replied:

" Please provide a link or other documentation to support that!"

And you replied:
I see no reference to Edmunds, Nissans, or 1st year depreciation in your response. Maybe your quoting figures for a specific Nissan, and maybe to Dubai, but that wouldn't apply to Nissans in general, or to the US or world markets. And I see no documentation from Edmunds of any kind.

My point is 1) Nissans (as a brand) do NOT lose 46% (or even 25%) first year depreciation, and 2) I'm sure Edmunds never said that.

It's really the same up here. American cars don't hood their value as well as a lot of imports(excluding trucks)

I just now even saw this.


Yes I found it on Edmunds.com. I was blowing through articles at work trying to find resale values on corvettes / brands and stumbled across that. I admit fully that I cannot find the article again, I even checked my browser history. Maybe it applied to a certain vehicle and I missed that?


I think it would make sense though. Locally you can buy a Slightly used Nissan for about half of what a current model year would be.


http://www.autocentersnissan.com/use...anchor-make-15

Did a quick test to confirm that certain nissian's resale value are extreme low. Did a test of selling a 2015 nissian altima with 15k on the obo in perfect condition. Kbb priced it to only $14,000 compared to a brand new base model off the lot costing $22,000. But its probably due to a new model 2016 just being released. Did another test looking a nissian sentra it held value much better only dropping about $2,000

I'm giving you the local prices. That link I posted is a popular used car website, so you can calculate the depreciation if u like. Brand new manual gt starts at 90,000 aed goes all the way to 124,000 aed for the full option auto. 1$ = 3.68 aed.

I've driven things with more power (never owned anything over 250hp though until my modded brz) including a 370, g37, gtr, r34, mustang gt500, corvettes and at no point while driving those did I feel they were more FUN than in the BRZ. Did they have more power, speed... yes. Were they more fun to drive aside from in a straight line? not to me anyways, something very attractive to me having a 300+hp go kart. To each is own I guess but I don't know you don't feel as connected to the car with bigger GT type cars and heavy b*tches like the 370 that's just my opinion though.

@billwot please go easy on the new kid from a foreign country.
@Cedars please make sure you understand the question before posting an answer.

Now, back to topic. What was it again? Oh yes, engine swap. Carry on.:popcorn:

How can a nissan lose 46% of its value in the first year?

I guess I liked having a 400 HP 400 lb ft go kart, lol. If you have driven an R34 (I have not) and I only got to ride in an R35 I am astounded you would say those are less fun than a BRZ, lol.

It can't. If that were the case, I would just buy 3 year old Versas and drive them until they needed their first oil change.

-Justin

http://www.autocentersnissan.com/use...c01329e76b.htm


That's a perfect example. Retail on a new one with same options is 22,895.


Versa is the worst example of what you're saying. You can buy a new base model manual for 12,XXX and Nissan sometimes runs rebates. A new one would be better than a used one simply due to rebates and financing terms.

Even better wait a year and buy a nissan at half price, what an excellent deal lol.

Buy a 2015 altima and see. They are are selling for 22K new and drop to 14k in a year.

Keep in mind my BRZ is modded and while the r34-gtr are fun as hell, I live in a place called Quebec, Canada and our roads are complete shit (pothole ridden, salt eaten, small rocks/sand etc) so there aren't a ton of places to let out something like a gtr to its full potential or to start throwing a big heavy(long and wide) monster sideways.


Given the proper conditions all the time then yes a GTR may be more fun, but in dealing with everyday life and geographical and infrastructure limitations, the brz (especially modded) is as fun if not more fun than most cars I listed in my last post (to me at least)


It may be the price too that influences my fun factor, when I drove my buddy's R34 (it was fun)but I always kept a bit of reserve driving the car seeing as crashing it would result in a hefty build and a lot of time and money searching for parts. I jumped a curb with my brz a week ago and it's in the shop atm and although it was unpleasant, I haven't really been down about it, had the car been a GTR or a brand new cayman or vette, I would probably still be sobbing uncontrollably. so that may have something to do with enjoyment factor, the fact that a mistake/accident will not cause me to have to remortgage my house for car repairs :)

Probably because people buy them and then realise oh fuck I bought an Altima, the worlds most uncomfortable pos car better sell it quick before it's worth 5 dollars


(I hate Altimas as you can probably tell)

To support your claim of 46% depreciation in one year, you show me a car that has lost 34% of its value in two years (we are in model year 2016)?

Most likely, this car was purchased for $20,000 and has only lost 25% of its purchase price over its two years.

-Justin

Does nobody know how percentages work?

If you buy a car for $25,000, and within one year it is worth $13,500 then you have had 46% depreciation in a year.

If you buy a car for $20,000, and within one year it is worth $10,800 then you have had 46% depreciation in a year.

For big depreciation numbers, check out the more expensive vehicles. BMW 7 series is very good at depreciating, and I don't think that could drop 46% in a year.

-Justin

Apparently they're still on 2015 Sentras currently since the 2016 gets a refresh and drops late December. So I showed you a one model year vehicle. Its just one example of many.

Yes I understand how percentages work. I may not be 46% but 37% seems pretty damn high and that's your best case scenario for that model atleast. Comparing that to the brz which only has a depreciation of 27% for one year.

When u buy a brand new brz(or any car) you lose about 5 to 10% just for driving it out of a showroom, then u add the yearly depreciation which is around 10 to 15% depending on make and demand. Then around 10 to 15% yearly. Well out here it's like that not sure over there how it works.

Yea I thought about holding off on my BRZ because I definitely believe in depreciation and buying used vehicles.

But then I realized I was following this cars concept for 2 years because nothing that actually existed fit what I wanted.

I looked at 370z, mustangs, genesis, miata, s2k

I weighed the depreciation in my decision and I guess quite literally made a "YOLO" decision. I didn't want to wait 2-3 years to get the car I wanted to save some $.

And 3 years later with the track time and mods I have, I am glad I made that decision.

OK, here's what Edmunds really says:

Average price actually paid new for 2014 Altima: $19420


http://www.edmunds.com/nissan/altima/2014/

Average dealer trade in value Dec 2015 $13191

Average retail value Dec 2015 $15733

http://www.edmunds.com/nissan/altima...sal-value/tmv/

(Assumptions: 2.5l CV, S trim, clean, 20K miles)

So the 2 year depreciation from new retail to used wholesale is $6229, or 32%

2 year depreciation from new retail to used retail is $3687, or just 19%.

Hell of a long way from "...46% per year".

all this is true. everyday use and city driving I prefer the FRS. Its fun in the dry and twice as fun in the rain. Its cheap to maintain. I can drive it everywhere and not care about resale value or rock chips / getting it dirty.

I got to the end of the thread and said to myself...
Soo.... Engine swap? Lol

I like where this thread is going

Has this been done? WRX FA20 swap?

Let the old dog lie down to sleep!!

On a related note, depreciation doesn't affect an owner if they never plan on selling it

LMGTFY


Found this one...



:D

Well that was an interesting read with what appears to be a sad ending. I guess the moral of the story is to make sure that everything you need to complete the job exists before running out and buying engines and swapping things out.