I had a 350z with factory HID's.

So you wouldn't even drive the car?

The only thing that will make me not buy the car is if I don't like the driving experience.

LOUD ANGRY NOISES! If you're not waiting for the primary model this year, not sure this car show is going to make you very happy. It's the launch of a single car - I don't think they've cemented plans for any other models until they see how the public reacts to this one...

A proper factory installed HID kit > any aftermarket retro fit I have experienced using.

And you honestly didn't feel that they provided superior lighting to Halogens?

I've never been in a Z at night, but the S2000 vs my projector Halogen's in the Integras was incredibly obvious and why I run HIDs in my ITR now (just PNP though until I find a nice *clean* set of OEM 94-97 headlights locally).

2003+ celica gts come with standard HID's i dont see why a 2013 frs shouldn't come with anything less 10 years later

Vehicles equipped with HID headlamps from the factory have a headlamp lens cleaning systems and automatic beam levelling control. This reduces glare which can hurt other driver's ability to see. This is why aftermarket HID kits are not the same as factory xenon's.

You can do a retrofit correctly, you just need to use actual HID projectors and make sure it's installed correctly. Still not as good as a stock S2000's (which are amazing HID projectors in a proper housing) but they will be much better than a PNP kit.

The grey one is the TRU 140S. Front wheel drive dressed up eclipse. Try again

Really? FRS and BRZ seem like a good performance car to me. No STI or TRD is guaranteed to come to us yet.

And let's get even more specific:

OEM Projector HID systems > OEM non-projector HID systems or Retrofitted Projector HID systems >>>>> Aftermarket PnP HID kits

HUD units are pretty expensive to replace, yeh??

Welllll in thaaat case






Forget it. :bonk:

Uhmm.. in Germany that's true. It's not true in the US. S2000s didn't have either. BiXenon cars have leveling of course.

The difference is primary in the projector and housing, not the ancillary systems.

Which is why I was saying nothing I have experienced. Factory will always be superior to me than aftermarket.

True, in the US it is not required. Probably why so many people complain about HID's hurting their eyes. Even factory equipped HID's in the US aren't the greatest.

I'd say OEM Projector HID > Proper Retrofit Projector HID > OEM Reflector HID systems > PNP HID Kits in Projectors > Projector Halogens > PNP HID kits in Reflectors > PNP HID kits with any tinted bulbs (like 6000k bulbs or the laughable 12k bulbs). :)

So i've been thinking the car under the tarp is going to be Ken's car. i mean it is a scion racing booth after all.

Show me the LEDs!

That is the most likely case.

+1 However I would say the best stock HID's are in the Acura TSX.

Are you asking about HID? or HUD (heads up display?) The only recent car I know with that is the Corvette.

You don't think I'm aware of that? Again, owned and drove a 350z with factory HID's. But it's not a "ohmygoditdoesnthaveHIDsIcantbuyit" feature.




That wasn't what I was pointing out. Pointing out that it's not a Red Flag, I'm not going to buy the car feature that people keep posting about. Same goes for the Push-start.

This would be idiotic on behalf of sub/toyota.

We all know a performance vehicle is coming out, but confirming it would not help their initial sales of this vehicle. Say the first model of this car fails completely and miserably, the companies would then just not even try to improve this car.

Its like if... Apple releases the Iphone 4S on Sept 5 and on the same day they annouce they're releasing the iphone 5, that would hurt the sales of the Iphone 4s because people might wait.

HUD. i know HID's are expensive to replace as well, at least for MINI's ($500 per headlight).

Different people have different needs. I think it's a need, not a want. Just like to some people a turbo is a need.

This car isn't expected to have a HUD is it? I wouldn't assume it wouldn't be cheap to replace if it did.

HIDS are really annoying to drive behind LOL every time my friend's s2k tails me i just want to reverse into his car...

as long as this car has operating lights im good, but then again i am coming from a tacoma to this... but if they give us HIDS great, if they don't im still getting this car

+1 on what Dave mentioned! I just bought a projector set from TRS and going to retrofit my Tacoma headlights. If you are going to run an HID kit, the only effective way is use projectors. 6000 Kelvin is way too blue and is less brighter. I'm going with 4300K which is closer to D65 Daylight.

http://www.theretrofitsource.com/index.php?cPath=25

Here is an example
http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/att...ghts-after.jpg



**Back on topic**

Thanks for the pics Hachi! Do they plan to announce the price during the show?

no. they're just talking about the possibility if Toyota/Subaru were to offer it or getting some sort of an aftermarket setup to install in the car.

Spoiler on the covered car is too tall to be the Nurburgring version, 99% sure it's Gushi's drift car.

Can't argue with that, however there is a difference between distracted driving, which includes any kind of distraction, and texting/updating a website while driving, which to quote that site " requires visual, manual, and cognitive attention from the driver." This is by far more dangerous than simply talking to your radio which is the same as talking a passenger. I think we can all agree talking to your passenger shouldn't be illegal. Instead of making laws to ban all kinds of distracted driving, which would be largely ignored, we should encourage technology like this that makes these kinds of activities much safer. The facebook/twitter stuff I could care less about, but I have to ignore texts on a regular basis while I'm driving, so I would use a system like this all the time. Even entering a nav address would be much safer and more convenient.

The TSX projectors are highly regarded in the retrofit community but the S2000 ones are still regarded as the best. They just cost 2x as much as TSX ones so you see TSX ones more.

Skinfn on here runs a real retrofit company (customlightz) so if he's reading this he can provide more detailed info but the S2K are considered the best OEM projectors.

FXR's are great retrofit projectors and they are bixenon, which is the route I'd go for a retrofit probably.

Gotcha. I misread I guess, I had thought you said there wasn't a noticable difference.

As I posted elsewhere, that's why options are great. Don't slam them, let people get whatever options they want.

I had TSX projectors i was going to use in my RX7 but never got around to it. Those projectors have a beautiful clean cutoff, not many projectors iv seen have the same if not better cutoff and range for the price point.

Not that I've ever seen before. I highly, highly doubt it. I certainly would leave that option box unchecked.

Aweesome~~~ O_O

I looked at the S2K's but opted for the TSX based on the blue/purple color you could get with the cutoff. It was 6 or 7 years ago, so I don't remember what the price difference was.

Lol can we stop talking about HID's and not waste like 3 pages so we could find the pics when they are posted @ 3:45pm? :)

Maybe if you have bad eyesight, then I can see it as a need. But if it was truly a need from a manufacturing standpoint, then every car would have HID's. Truth is....it's not a need, it's a want. Just like push-start is a want, just like 86 on the steering wheel...all wants..