All this great news says to me there's a good case now for buying a bare bones FR-S for say $21K, ripping it apart and buying...

1. 2-pc lightweight rotors all around w/SS brake lines (~$1200)
2. TRD supercharger (~$2500?)
3. Take the front vents out etc., stick in the roll cage (~$1000?)
4. Import the gauge cluster from the GT-86 / ditch the radio (~$500?)
5. Get whosever racing seats and ditch stock (~$2000?)
6. Add BRZ spoiler (~$500)
7. Some 17" 15lbs racing wheels (~$1000)
8. Coilovers (~$2000)

Total cost: ~$31,700 :w00t:

*any opinions on my pricing?

Premium gets you a happy ending, Limited gets you the full service.

Subaru's press release stated a curb weight of 2,684lbs.

Or, track it stock for awhile, smile and profit? Then fix whatever you find faults with?

This says 2770, either from a Suby source, or they took the car and weighed it themselves, so it'd be a "wet weight". Regardless, it's probably around that weight.

Thats my thought exactly, 21k for the FR-S and 24k for the Subaru would be the hardest to decide price split. I personally would side with FR-S because I could care less about heated seats and all that other crap.

Quantum,
Thanks the info!
Joe

Either way, Subaru's weight is directly from Subaru, this is from a MT editor. I'd put far more faith in Subaru's number, especially when using it to compare against Scion's number as both will have been measured in the same way. The FR-S guys are happen with their low 2600lb weight and not with the BRZs 2770 Motortrend stated weight.. well the cars don't have 170lbs of differences. There is no weigh the weight difference is that much with just the couple of options missing from the FR-S.

What kind of speaker\sub is that?

Never mind..found it
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUzufKxgFIY

Subaru might use more sound deadening, better quality fasteners, bolts, clamps, whatever... It's easy for pounds to add up when you start using higher quality parts. I think it's pretty obvious that Subaru is going to be the high-spec version and with that comes added weight.

Jalopnik has your answer:

"According to Twitter traffic, the BRZ will come in two levels of trim, the base-level — called, strangely, Premium — which includes navigation (yes, standard), eight-speaker audio, soft touch dash, limited-slip diff; leather-wrapped steering wheel (tilt-telescopic), shift knob and e-brake lever; six-speed manual; aluminum pedal covers and cruise control, among standard features. The BRZ Limited model adds leather seats with Alcantara trim, fog lamps, rear deck spoiler, 17-inch rims and vented discs (16" front, 15" rear)."

Clever wording there. haha:bonk:

no xenon lights?

Sounds like a good plan!
:party0030:

I think they are standard in both trims...Not sure though..

In red is what bothers me. You can easily shead -$1k off the price if that navi wasn't there. I'm not too stoked about that.

Edit: Where's the Aux and or USB jack? >:l

I've did that with the RX-8. Good education. But after 8 yrs of upgrades (minus the SC, cage, and seats), now I know what best helps turn a car like this into a track scalpel, w/the SC (or TC) adding the power I lust for and have been denied. :burnrubber:

Fun to see that my first post on the forum is now being sent out as "news". Hope that doesn't piss anyone off. ;)

For the guys who appreciated the info, you're welcome. Can't wait to go a mountain run with you.

For the haters, flamers and flag-wavers, Let's chat in 6 months. :)

Cheers,
Hong

^LOL Love it!!

"Subaru BRZ should go on sale in May 2012, starting around $24k for Premium and about $27k for Limited."

He isn't saying anything definitive here. "Should" and "around" could mean he's still speculating, or at best Subaru giving ballpark figures. I don't think this proves the pricing of the BRZ at all.

The interesting thing he said though is that the front suspension is stiffer and the rear softer. That likely means the BRZ is more understeer-biased than the 86?

Any other canadian feel left in the dark? Lol. Based on 24k and what a "base" wrx goes for (25,500 ish). A base brz in canada could be around the 30k cdn mark. Who knows what packages have WHAT for canada. Canadian spec'ed subarus are often VERY different. Example. For 2011 wrx. We had plasma blue while US didnt. We dont get lightning red thoufh. Even stereo and gps units differ. We usually get "winter packages" in base trim too. So if US seat heaters and wiper heaters are optional. Theyd be standard here.

Seems like it. It may ride "cushier" too. I hope subaru NA doesnt make "upscale" chassis tweaks. Less buick more 22b please. Focus!

Subaru normally puts those in the arm rest.

The limited probably has 18 inch rims too...17 inch rims are standard on the Premium.

The arm rest? What a strange spot to put the USB Aux..

Thanks though!

Edit: Oh. Do you mean the center console near the arm rest behind the e-brake? If that's the case then.. that's a good spot. Lol

thanks

and it´s the first time I´ve read something about a LSD....never mentioned before

oh ye, waiting to hear from the turbo thing, if the turbo is not coming, i ll just take the limited ed

So by what that was saying, if you want any of the more luxo features such as auto climate control or leather, you'd have to opt for the subie and not the scion? (In the US)

I mean I know scion has dealer add ons, but I'm guessing they wouldn't swap in auto climate control and leather at the dealer would they? :iono:

$24k = MSRP? You don't normally pay the full MSRP on new cars do you? + IF you can get the 2% off from being part of the Subaru VIP program (big IF, I know), that would be comparable to the rumored / hopeful Scion no-haggle prices for the base model. Confused.

Everyone is going to hate me but I for one might spring for the navi system (either car) if I can... my GPS signal in my phone gets lost when I put my phone down and I'm afraid that if I fuss with it too much a cop will stop me and issue me a ticket. And it's more convenient and easier to see. Plus, using the GPS app on my phone makes it harder for me to text while I drive. (kidding.)

There seems to be a few RX-8 guys on this forum, and by and large we seem to be more obsessed with the weight/track capabilities than average.

I don't believe they will have nav standard...I'm sure there will be an option to opt out of that..at least I hope so.

The Premium seems to be offering a lot of stuff for $24k...

Making up for the massive amounts of toyota loyalists perhaps?

At 24k how much do you thing it would cost to take one off a Dealer's lot with the mark up and stuff? about 26? I don't mind that there's Nav honestly if it's standard at 24K if it's an option then that's ok too.

Haggle the bastard to keep it under 25k for me. Lol

This^ is the only part where I like SCION I don't have to haggle to get that price lol. Im guessing I better save a grand or two over the 24k price tag just in case.

Awesome news for the BRZ buyers... If that thing comes loaded with so many extras for 24k, I can only imagine how much the cheap-o base FR-S will go for... 21 or 22? The latter seems more likely since the tC is around 19-20ish.

That article mentions a lot of stuff that is standard even on the 'base model' FR-S, which I have bolded. They just bring up a lot of fluff to make it sound much better.

The RX-8 is not the FR-S

Hopefully I can play multiple dealers off each other to make sure I get it at MSRP, it's the sales tax that gets you anyways :D If there's an option to get the car without nav and save $1k I'll take it, but if it's standard with the Premium trim then I'm not gonna waste my time complaining about it.