Substantial is a subjective measure, I suppose. But that difference on a 220hp car is the equivalent to 66 pounds of weight off the car.

Or, on another chart, showing models with 100lbs and 200lbs removed and their corresponding rank in the list, 200lbs off puts it half way between the S2K and RX7.

... Ugh, I'm not trying to overly "nubmers"-specific. Let's just say that anything comparable to S2K numbers would impress a lot of people :)

Ah OK. :) thanks for this. Didn't seem like it was just curious kept worrying about wear on my brakes when it flashes as such.

Just thought this would be relevant to the people on this thread talking about "their version" of what the STI should be or about factory-installed (and warrantied) upgrades. Seeing as whatever upgrades Subaru may want to factory-install on their BRZ likely has to be okay-ed by the largest stakeholder (Toyota) in this joint project, here are some words straight from the horse's mouth:

"The philosophy of the 86 is that it is an open concept," says Mr Tada.

The conventional way is for the carmaker to produce a car and call it perfect, which means the users don't have to or can't do anything else.

For example, if the rims and tyres are changed, the manufacturer's warranty is void.
Instead, the 86 was created as a car with the potential to change into something the customer wants it to be.

"Why? Because if you ask 100 people what you think of the car, you will get 100 answers. They all have different views," he said.

Hence the open concept, which will satisfy customers because the car evolves with them and make 100 people's dreams come true."

I just read that article and all I heard was:

"The president (Akio Toyoda) has asked me to make a successor to the Supra as soon as possible."

Looking forward to this!

still disagree... car at a stand still vs car on a left hand bend, weight shift goes to the outside right of the car giving an illusion of a dropped car... it's just weight transfer... even on straight aways level changes and of camber turns are what 'ring is famous for... aka being one of the most difficult road courses. and an STI concept will be lower than production car because most show cars are flared to make it look sportier than most... that extra oomph if you will.

It still stands and has been published in writing that a Bilstein suspension is being developed for the BRZ by STI (close-up pics of it are floating on the web). The white BRZ STI looks lower than my car from all the different angles/shots (again, overall diameter of 18" vs. my 17" are essentially the same so no illusion there). Suspension tuning would be the #1 reason to invest in testing a car on the 'Ring over aero/power tuning. That said, why the heck would they be testing a set of springs that have long been released to the public?

Because it's fun!!

#nothelpful

Oh god.. I love Bilstein! They are superb!
http://i907.photobucket.com/albums/a...rz_sti_008.jpg

Here it is: BRZ STI (repost)
 

http://maroondah-leader.whereilive.c...-breaks-cover/

nice.

The first thing they address is there not being a turbo version next year...possibly.

nice find

Not enough turbo space under the hood...?

I could hide god damn cats in my hood!

This is the same story written months ago...just rewritten.

Yup - old, old "news" I'm afraid...

In japanese terms, its another way of saying a turbo will not fulfill the philosophy of this car. A turbo is not the purpose of this car, etc...

Also: these old news are starting to remind me of the time when NFL kept writing stories about Brett Favre coming to the Minnesota Vikings to keep people coming back to read news...

Here it is: BRZ STI...

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...86036809_n.jpg

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...56787528_n.jpg

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...66128823_n.jpg

This

no space under the hood! :lol:
I can't imagine how the 14 aftermarket turbo kits do it!

Since the FRS is essentially a Subaru. Does that make the STI version of Scion be called FRS STD?

Bad joke huh?

Terrible.http://www.ft86club.com/forums/image.../bellyroll.gif

This this!

how did you get your tire letterings to be white?

Custom-made order from ironcrossinnovations.com

i think its more about how the they dont think that a turbo would be properly placed to maintain a warranty and durability of that product. aftermarket companies dont have any problem dealing with a warranty since its none of their concern.

You can also buy paint pens specifically for the lettering on your tire too.

Parts catalog does not make an Sti. Nice car but it's like stickering up a wrx and claiming Sti.

Great article :slap:

Meh. old news is old news. Let's see how many other "Sources" can come up with the same garbage.

We only got one more week to wait for official pics! To the dudes lucky enough to be in japan for the show your mission is to send us a shit load of pics.

No room? What's up with the tons of turbo and supercharger kits on the market then, i do belive they are fitted under the hood.....

Ah, the good ole reliable Maroondah Leader. Where I get all of my reliable, credible and fast breaking news.

As far as I can tell so far that's exactly what it looks like Subaru is doing with the BRZ STI. :iono:

yeah possibly. i wasnt taking a stab at your ride though. it looks good man. i hope the give us suspention and brakes.

No room..... You dont need AC, power steering, and get a smaller radiator.

You are right. STI is a Subaru marketing name for the version of their cars with the catalog performance parts PRE-installed from the factory. His is not an STI even though it very well may perform a lot better.

The reason they say there is no room is because the govt requires a certain amount of crush space in the event of an accident. Aftermarket could care less.

I want to mention that switchlanez BRZ looks pretty sweet.

STI has not impressed me one bit so far with their BRZ STI parts in terms of performance. Even with all the current STI parts installed on the BRZ, it will still be neck and neck between a fully decked out BRZ with STI and a stock BRZ.

Let's look at the biggest factors that can improve this car.

1) BRZ STI wheels are not light. You can do much better just buying a set of Enkei RPF1 for a quarter of the price.

2) STI doesn't release spring rate info. One can assume that they're pretty generic considering they were made for the stock dampers.

3) BRZ aero pieces won't make any real difference, especially on a low speed track.

I see nothing from STI that improved the BRZ in terms of performance.

May I?
4. I heard the STI exhause has no increase in HP, just sound.

I want that kit on my 86, Is that possible?

This is how the BRZ STI should look. Add to this some brembos, different rear spoiler, some interior changes and power bump and we have a winner.