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Normally I would agree, but the OP also listed the vulgar option in his pole, which I would say opens him up to a lot of these responses. He laid the road for these remarks. I would actually like to see some language filters on this forum, but that is another thread.

They made a lot of auto WRX in america, and there are plenty of Auto STI around as well.

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Originally Posted by jeebus (Post 425889)

I will admit, I really enjoyed knowing my WRX STi, Mazdaspeed3, and Integra GS-R were sold with manuals only. It made them feel more special to me. Hopefully, Subiyota does the same if/when they create hot versions of this car.

yes, definitely agreed

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Originally Posted by Asterisked Accolade (Post 425872)

I'd feel remiss if i didn't also mention how disheartening it is to see people openly calling the OP "moron" and "idiot".

The OP's expressive nature was abhorrent, we can agree. Fighting a spark of abhorrent behavior with a Molotov cocktail of abhorrent behavior is (IMO)worse. It's something i tend to take issue with regarding the internet; unaccountability and insensitivity.

One of the big problems with inter-net speak is often not knowing if someone is posting something out of sincerity or posting something out of sarcasm. If you're serious, I agree with you. It's too easy for people to hide behind the keyboard.

Don't fuel the fire.

i would not buy this car in AT but thats jsut a personal thing. i hve no problem with a company giving people options. if making them more money because paddle shifters are trendy right now makes thema sell out i dont have a problem with it anyway

I love driving the M3 with SMG paddles. That car is a blast. Mini cooper paddles aren't even that bad.

The bad autos are the eco autos and early pre 2000's sports cars with auto. CVT is my definition of losing the love of driving.

Seeing as how the purpose of a company creating a product is to make money, along with the fact that I like Toyota and would like them to stay in business, I have no problem with them "selling out" aka "maximizing profits".

More options are always better than fewer. It does not affect me in any way that they offer my car in automatic. If I was one of the people who wanted an automatic but they didn't offer it then it would bother me. I have no issue with Toyota making those people happy too.

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Originally Posted by Tanuki (Post 425931)

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Was gonna post the same thing.

Put the car into Neutral, then rev up the motor. And once it hits redline, then drop it into D then HOLD ON!!

I voted for Toyota sold out.

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Originally Posted by Shinji2787 (Post 425311)

You are an angry little man.

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Aaand, they've been saying Green Day "sold out" after Dookie...

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Originally Posted by SupraLove (Post 425313)

I know I'm being a bit unreasonable, but think about it: the GT-R and Corvette are expensive cars meant to set track records. That's about it. Not a lot of driving experience is required to drive those cars with auto, and they aren't pure driving experiences like the twins. These cars are supposed to engage you in driving. An auto box just takes away from that.

And all the cars you listed are definitely sports cars, just not the automatic versions.

Every car, sports car, grocery car, whatever crap car was a stick back in day. EVERYBODY COULD AND DID DRIVE A STICK. Get off your horse with your attitude "people can't drive stick crap, that is why they get automatic".. it is no big deal. I was driving stick when I was 13, not hard at all. Driving stick at Dragstrip. Driving stick to work. Automatic was and is a premium option. Has nothing to do with ability to drive a stick or some kids idea of what a sports car is or should be.:slap: and therefore does not really make more people buy it becuase it is auto. However, it may be true that automatics are everywhere because the demand is so high as most people do not even change channel without a remote.
Driving experience...lol:lol:

I think the poll numbers tell the true story. STOP FEEDING THE FUCKING TROLLS.

Dear OP,

I bought an automatic. I drive at 9/10ths every chance I get. I don't get the idea the car somehow isn't a sports car if it's not manual. F1 cars have had automatic (by your definition) transmissions for years. So yeah I voted for the idiot one.

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Originally Posted by SupraLove (Post 425304)

Again, another sellout. It was just to get more customers. It's not like Supras were amazing track cars either... They were drag monsters and dyno queens. Doesn't mean they weren't legends, Supras are amazing, but I don't think most owners tracked their cars...

I'm sure at least a dozen people have already said this but whats wrong with offering an auto or semi-auto. If it increases sales, then there is a higher likelihood that Toyota will keep making it. If giving people an inferior product allows them to make money and still meet their needs, I'm all for it. If you are really that dead set against Automatics, here is an idea BUY A MANUAL.

Guys, settle down, OP is merely asserting that he has the biggest e-peen here because he's driven a stick since he was 13...that makes him a man, no doubt...

PS...Your sarcasm detectors should be going batshit crazy right now...:bellyroll:

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Originally Posted by Lonewolf (Post 426604)

Guys, settle down, OP is merely asserting that he has the biggest e-peen here because he's played with "sticks" since he was 13...that makes him a man, no doubt...

PS...Your sarcasm detectors should be going batshit crazy right now...:bellyroll:

Fixed that for you.

For all the esoteric arguments about the relative merits of transmissions, I remember what driving is most of the time - pretty boring stuff. For a trip to the store, a commute to work or driving in traffic - driving a stick is better for one principal reason - it gives you something physical to do while you are basically just sitting in a chair, holding a leather covered wheel and looking at the ass end of other cars and endless acres of gray asphalt and concrete.

Everytime I get in my car, I get a challenge. It is like a puzzle. I have six forward gears, reverse and a clutch. I am not such a great driver that every shift is perfect, or that I don't screw up sometimes. But I get to try. I get to improve. I can test a new technique, try to heel and toe or try to maximize my mileage. There's a lot to do with a stick - and that's what I like about it. I use automatics too. I like them fine. But they are boring to me. I don't feel superior to people that have automatics. But, I feel a little bit sorry for them. They can't have the fun I have being a mediocre shifter who is always working to get better at it.

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Originally Posted by SupraLove (Post 425286)

Toyota sold out. Honda never did this. Ever. It's the CARDINAL SIN of car manufacturers.

Putting a slushbox in a sportscar.

I understand, yeah, it's a good auto and that "it feels like DSG" stuff, but it's still a damn auto. DSGs are also auto – any transmission that can shift gears for you is still an automatic transmission. I don't have anything against automatics; I think they're a godsend for parents with smaller children, but here's why I despise them in a sports car: Automatics open up the car to a bunch of people that NEVER will use it to its full capability. Period. The majority of men and women who buy 2 door coupés buy them for looks, not practicality, nor performance. Most enthusiasts will see that just because a car is a coupé, it does not have to have sporting intentions. I see so many Civic coupés on the road (non-Si, of course) that have automatics. But for every 30 coupés I see, I only see ONE with an Si badge on the back. What is this proof of? That most people buying a coupé or convertible just want the look of a sports car, and none of the performance. If it's automatic, all the better.

How does this relate to Toyota selling out? Well, based on the statistics, Toyota simply added a slushbox to the GT86 to get more sales. That is a definite sellout. Honda understood that sports cars are meant to have manual transmissions. Period. None of this DCT nonsense. Nearly no one purchasing a DCT will EVER use it to its full potential. What percent of people track their cars? 4-5%, perhaps? Even then, a skilled MT driver can still beat the crap out of an inexperienced DCT driver on the track. Hell, a skilled MT driver can beat a skilled DCT driver if he tries hard enough.

These are sports cars. Not race cars. Remove the auto. The S2000 never came with a slushbox. Neither did the Si, nor the ITR. Keep it pure and manual. These cars are marketed as a "pure driving experience". Keep the promise. Please.

i agree in principal,however,as you mentioned MOST will NOT use the car to it's full potential,but if you give this some thought,NO other car is really used to it's full potential either! it's a money game,and sales WILL suffer WITHOUT the ''slushbox" manufacturers KNOW this,hence the the "slush" lives on this car! i have driven direct drive trannies for over 45 years (showing my age here),and i dislike slushboxes intensely.this car is made for the full driving experience of a nice 6-speed manual,as it imparts a feeling of control that is out of reach with the auto.(paddle shifters are a joke) a ''proverbial' "wet" dream'' in my view,however they CAN impart some type of ''event pshycological' in those that choose that transmission.in the final analysis,it's about the bottom line and the ability of the maker to extract maximum cash from the consumer!..'nuff said!

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Originally Posted by dulaman (Post 425312)

Um, what's the point of this thread? Nobody is holding a gun to your head making you buy an AT. You want a MT, then buy the MT. Toyota being able to sell more of these cars keeps the price lower for all of us. At least Toyota took the time to make (by almost all accounts) a pretty good AT for this car.

this is a good point! well taken,even though i dislike the damn things!

Since this dude was mad trolling, I'm hong imma kck this shit up.

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