I own a BRZ.

EXTERIOR
I enjoy the subtle design of the front end bumper. The trapezoid shape opening is beautiful, but the plastic (crash beam?) bar running across looks out of place. There must be some other solution that could make it look less like a focal point. It does not need to look like the FRS but, if the metal edge (near the Subaru badge) hovered over the plastic bar just a little bit it would look nice.

Seat belt issue? I bought these. They also have them TRD branded and Toyota too. Seatbelt neck cushion. Now I just need a BRZ to put them on :lol:

I agree for the most part I prefer the FRS/FT86 bumper but how to mount the LED DRLs on the FRS bumper...

I drive a Raven 6MT FR-S @ 3000kms, there have already been comments of what I have issues with but I might as well re-iterate for the sake of having it on record.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, the annoying chirping noise from the engine bay! Also I feel that the clutch is slightly numbing, I would prefer a little bit more feedback from the clutch although I've learned to adapt.

That's it for now....

I agree, but when I'm driving like that I switch over to manual so I can use the stick. It's the most natural thing for me anyway as that's where your hand would be in a manual. I just gotta stop going for the clutch pedal that doesn't exist. Sounds crazy, I know...

Sell it as/Release the Toyota 86 with all the trims/options available in Japan, in North America. Especially the GT 86 Limited; List of options/features seen here: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8954 I don't care if they keep the Scion as the low spec version, I refuse to buy the Scion and will only purchase the Toyota, preferably the GT 86 Limited.

EDIT: At the very least allow dealerships to order in the parts listed above, in my link. My dealership has refused to order the parts claiming they are not able to or are not allowed to, even though they are parts for a Toyota vehicle. If I have to I can tolerate registering it as a Scion but it better be equipped with all features/options from the GT 86 Limited and Toyota and 86 badging with no sign of Scion anywhere on it other than that registration.

Seven years without a Toyota sports car, then having the President and CEO of Toyota give his word a Toyota sports car will be sold, then not following through is a major piss off.

I'm pretty sure while in D you click paddle once an it shows the gear you are in then you click again to change gears. After a few seconds it goes back to D. I could be wrong. I'll try it again. The last few days I've been driving my Tacoma 4x4. I've been neglecting her since I bought the my FRS. That has been strange sitting so high and it handles way different.

Nope. I checked on the way back to work and it definitely shifted as soon as I touched the downshift paddle.

Edit: Sorry for the thread jack. Let's get back on topic and if need be bring this to the discussion thread.

The plastic in the inside gets scratched too easily, especially the door panels. Everyone knows what I'm talking about.

I just posted my impressions. You should have a mod just delete any irrelevant posts, and edit the existing posts for continuity.

The only thing that should be in there are "Thanks" for the posts rather than the general, "please listen to my 2 cents dribble"

Subaru needs to improve their paint quality and painting process. My BRZ has numerous paint defects its not even funny (not sure how it made it past QC). Since the defects are at the rear of the car I try to not look at them, but they are there. I should raise a big stink over the defects but I don't want half the car repainted and have it not match.

2013 Scion FR-S Auto Owner-

Transmission (Auto):

The only complaint I have, as most people know, is that I wish that the auto had a launch feature or was able to get off the line faster.

For those that seem to think the auto launches fine, Id suggest finding a friend with a manual to compare it against. You will see what I am talking about. It is the one thing that is causing the auto to be so slow compared to the manual.

I cant describe it and I wish that I had taken video of my track time when my friend and I went to the drag strip to see just how much of a difference there was between auto and manual.

After the initial launch and when the car got past the RPM where it lugged it seemed to keep up very well even though the manual was still pulling ever so slightly ahead.

This was run after run after run.

I feel adamant that if the auto was able to launch without having to lug up to speed that it would be the best damn auto on the market that is not a DSG. Other than that major flaw (in my opinion) the auto is amazing. Drool worthy.

I mean the launch of the auto is going to hurt a LOT of auto x times which is what I am planning on doing.

I dont care that the manual is faster. I expect it to be.

What I did not expect was my friend being able to run a 15.5 with a huge speaker box in the back along with all of the spare tire components while I was able to manage only a 16.4 at best with everything known to man stripped out of the back of the car.

I dont like comparing cars, I hate it. But I feel this example would best explain how disappointed I was with the times.

When you used to drive a 2008 Pontiac G5GT with 171 HP and 167 TQ and stock it ran a 16 flat with a slush box auto and weighed in at 2991 lbs with everything in it, its a little disheartening when your 2013 Scion FR-S runs a mediocre 16.5-16.7 with everything in it at 200 HP and 151 TQ and weighs in at 2800 lbs.

Again this is not because I care about the 1/4 mile times but because I was expecting no more than a 5 tenth of a second difference from auto to manual.

Yes, I am well aware that gearing as well as when that peak power is made makes a difference. But people with an auto can not launch at the right RPM range to allow the car to snap up and go like the manual. Instead we just chug along until we get to the right point.

BRZ Limited MT:

-Engine Performance (Feel, noises, etc)

Lacking low-RPM torque, really needs to be turbo-charged. DI chirp is just unacceptable.

-Exhaust Sound Performance (Sound Quality)

My preference would be to NOT pipe sound into the cabin, but I understand that some like to hear their cars more than I do

-Transmission (Performance, Quality)

Clutch engagement point should be moved inward toward the floor

-Tire Performance (Wear, Noise, Handling)

A car designed for superior handling should come with higher performance tires

-Interior Parts/Panels (Fitment, gap, deformation, etc)

The side extensions around the center control cluster were designed solely to torment people of height...if I had a dollar for every time I've drilled my knee hopping into the car without being careful, I'd be a wealthy man. Note that I'm 6'4".

-Unusual Interior Noise (Squeaking, rattling, etc and location)

There was a rhythmic whining coming from the right-front that I attributed to tire noise that seems to have subsided some. There is an intermittent soft thumping/rubbing sound that seems to come from the trunk at highway speeds for which I have yet to pin down a source.

-Front Seat Functionality

The seats are too firm to provide good comfort to a large range of passenger sizes and shapes. While the seats hold one in place nicely, they are a bit hard and cause me some sciatic nerve issues on longer drives. The passenger seat does this to my wife within minutes of getting in the car, hence she never rides with me. A slightly softer seating material would probably mitigate some of this, as would adding more seating adjustments. For me, as a taller driver, raising the seat front to provide thigh support would be wonderful. Providing some lumbar adjustment would be great for shorter drivers like my wife.

-Rear Seat Function (... troll question? haha)

Oxymoron?

-Exterior Parts/Panels (Fitment, Gap, Wheel/Tire Size, Design of Wheels, etc)

I hate the little Toyota dimpling of the hood around the front logo, it really detracts from the elegant lines of the car.

-Interior Function (Visor, Mirrors, etc)

Visors need a stiffer spring-rate, I can no longer tuck my wallet there without running the risk of it flying out.

-Audio Equipment Performance

Lack of a high-fidelity option is a minus, but then this has been a Subaru weakness for decades.

-Center Cluster Switch usability

Functional, but the layout doesn't imply significant amounts of development thought. Could use some cleaning up.

Doing a neutral drop would destroy the engine right? Just want to make sure lol

FRS owner here

"I" feel that the door position locks could be spaced a bit better

i'm talking about those little grooves in the door hinge that lock the door in 3 seperate locations (barely open, middle, and fully open) I feel that the middle position in it's current state is too wide, ina lmost any normal parking situation it requires that no other car's are present if you park in the center of a standard parking space

and if there is a car, the other car has to be perfectly parked as well, if it is even an inch closer to your car, i am forced to be mindful of how far i open the door. I don't mind being cautious, but it is a pain because i never know if the "spring" force of the door might accidentally force it open and touch the other car or a wall

i know it may sound silly, but even like 2-3 degrees less of swing at the medium setting is all that i'm suggesting.

Done. I'll post up discussion topics once we're set.

http://instagram.com/p/NzcqIvtcQO/

Scion FR-S and I know this is beating a dead horse, but the engine with the DI fuel system or whatever is making the cricket noise.

-Other Electronic Switch function/usability

Can they adjust the sensitivity of the Passenger seat belt sensor? Just putting my phone on the seat causes the alarm to beep.

BTW, please keep posting on any other things you may have. TMS/SOA/FHI are monitoring this thread.

I'll update the original post shortly with some feedback.

There ought to be an option to automatically lock the doors at a certain speed for manual drivers, or when shifting from Park to Drive for automatic drivers. Conversely, the doors should unlock when the car is turned off for manual drivers, or when the shifter is moved from Drive to Park for automatic drivers. Some variant of this would be OK too.

I don't know if it's the same issue or not, but I'm getting some sort of harmonic at 70 MPH and a similar noise (although more cyclical sounding as opposed to constant) at 35 MPH. It really detracts from the car on highway trips and must be addressed for me to consider myself satisfied with the car.

I had a tech at my dealership check mine out and he can hear the noise but cannot determine what it is. He had me keep track of when I heard it,speed, gear, clutch position, etc.

I noticed that the turn signals are not solidly mounted and move a little if you push on them. I wonder if when I get up to speed that the force of the air is pushing them in a little and creating the noise.

People that have been in the car with me don't notice it until I point it out. Once I do, they notice it right away. :sigh:

Ruskymx

Please please give the steering wheel more telescope adjustment for taller drivers like myself with long legs. That's the one thing that keeps me from buying an FR-S AND i'd really like to have one. Thank you.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10623

-Tire Performance (Wear, Noise, Handling)

In my opinion, the tires are excellent for a stock car. I say this as having had raced the car on the track at an HPDE event. Sure, putting stickier tires would enhance the trackability of the car, but the car is tons of fun on the track with the current stock rubbers on her.

-Other Noise/Vibration

I am getting what sounds like wind whistling through the window right behind my head in the driver's door. Also hear harmonic sounds from the front left while driving at highway speeds and it's utterly annoying.

-Rear Seat Function (... troll question? haha)

Useless. Build a rear bin like the FD Mazda RX-7s had, and offer it as an option for future FRS/BRZs and put it up in the parts bin for us to buy.

-Vibration (Steering Wheel, Pedals, Floor, Seat, etc)

Strangely enough, and this happens along with the harmonic noise I hear from the front left... I can feel the vibration in my gas pedal while the noise is present. Tire or wheel issue perhaps?

-Vehicle Handling (Alignment, Road-Handling, Stability)


Handling is amazing for a stock car, and this is coming from a track perspective. Easy to control, easy to keep at its limits, and from an instructor's perspective, has a lot of rear grip available. And a GT-R driver even tossed her around and gave it a thumbs up ^.^

Off the track, traction control is great... I've had it save my ass on freshly rained-upon roads a couple of times. The car can swing around on you if you're not careful, but that's what this car is made for.

VSC Sport mode for traction control is also great. Amazing training tool for the track, since it does not kick in too soon and allows you to toss the car around. It, too, has saved me from going into the wall when I pushed the limit too far and the car started to swing towards the wall. VSC kicked in at the right moment and helped me realign the car down the track.

Keep doin what you're doin for the traction control. Good safety tool and good training tool.

-Engine Performance (Feel, noises, etc)

Chirping noise. Some have said this may be the fuel pump. Personally I do not know. Also, I had an ignition coil throw a code while on the highway. Had it checked by toyota, who called a service rep from Headquarters and they were told to clear the code and test drive the car. The code did not come back so everything was good. Still, it's something to keep an eye on.

-Brakes (Noise, Performance, Pedal Feel)

Brakes do not provide any "bite." In other words, no matter how hard I press on the brakes, ABS will not engage.

I'm hearing that harmonic at 70 MPH as well. Seems to come from the back.

-Exterior Parts/Panels (Fitment, Gap, Wheel/Tire Size, Design of Wheels, etc)
 

The front bumper on mine as well as a few other members isn't seating properly at the headlights. Needs more of a positive attachment to hold it in.

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It seems like the forward most tab doesn't sit down far enough.

I think this is IMPORTANT.

I bought my car, and after paperwork was finished, we found that a portion of the frame in the trunk was damaged. The only fix offered by the dealership and TOYOTA, is to cut the section out of the car and have it replaced. My car had 10 miles on it when the damage was found, Cutting the car up to fix this doesn't seem like the best idea to me. I would honestly rather leave the damage then let a "Dealer Preferred" body shop touch the car. I don't even get to choose my own body shop for this? Really?

Can you tell me exactly what part of the QA process this was overlooked in? Should I be looking for other items like this on the car?

http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/z...a/EN2C2444.jpg

VS

http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/z...a/EN2C2441.jpg

wow.

What the hell Subaru? At first I was kidding when I said their assembly workers were drunk and blind, but now I think there may be some truth to it...:thumbdown:

Scion FR-S MT. I am waiting for the TRD Supercharger to come out. I know I am not alone.

Homelink mirror doesn't work properly. I pull in the garage and the first thing you want to do is turn the engine off so you don't get smogged, but then go to put the garage door down and it doesn't work. Same with opening the garage door, you have to start the engine (or at least turn the key on) before being able to open the garage door.
My BMW had the same problem. Acura gets it right as they are active as soon as you get in the car and even after you shut the engine off. Very annoying! And a waste of $200+ for the homelink mirror.

BRZ MT Limited owner here

Love the car - thank you Subaru and Toyota - I am very impressed.

Most of my comments and concerns have been posted by others already. Here are some additional thoughts:

- I hate the red stitching
- Sun visors are a little too short
- Some toe room under the front seats would make the rear seat useable
- 12V sockets do not work with car off
- Provide a wood-grain option for the Limited trim instead of the silver plastic

Work off the issues in this thread and I'll buy another one!

I had to double check to see if I read that correctly...

Wood-grain, in a twin? I bet you want shag carpeting and gold plated curb feelers too.

If I had not seen these pics myself, I'd never have believed it. Umm, that is a serious QC issue. They really should be offering you a new car, not one that was incorrectly sent out of the factory and then repaired at a body shop. If ever there was a case for a lemon law, this is it.

Are you driving it or is it in the possession of Toyota?