I unno about anyone else, but I'm stoked that I can rest easy now knowing that its OFFICIAL that this car is making it to the U.S. market. We all kind of knew it was going to, but its nice to actually know now for sure.

As I've said before I'm greatly disappointed that this car is not being badged a Toyota in the U.S., as Toyota's sports image is basically non-existent, and it would have been nice to see the old glory of its sporting roots mark its return with the FT-86.

That being said, the overall Toyota fanboy in me isn't as disappointed as it could be. The car's heart, its soul, is being supplied by someone else's technology completely, FHI's boxer technology, so the car already isn't a "Toyota" in my mindset.

But meh...can't wait to see the show.

because the spirit of the car is just as inportant as the car itself. Like the Jag it has history years of trial and error and a racing spirit that make them decent cars. when you take that and cheapen it, you are bound to upset someone

Why do people on the internet say "no offend [sic]" only to make a statement meant to offend, lol.

Looks like Admin have taken off some of off-topic posts. LOL

big thanks to the mods for cleaning up this thread!

oh i remember! haha. still, we'll have to see how this all unfolds. i'm in no hurry. :) i will actually be a little bit surprised if Toyota only offers it as a scion in the US.

Well time for me to lock my self in my room again till the next supra rumor lol or maybe move on to 370z or subaru :( :brokenheart:

LOL Don't look in negative side. Look in the positive side, there's Subie ver for anti-Scion fans. :)

Toyota really wants to attach a "young and hip" image with Scion, so this isnt a big Surprise for the US.


AE86 marque/name is more synonimous in Japan than it is in the states. The FT will come out with an "86" badge there and thats no surprise either, it'll even have that old school TOYOTA (in katakana writing) on some of the labels.

Globally, I think this car will come out as Celica under Toyota. I'm not 100% sure if Subaru will release it Globally though under its name anyways.

:bellyroll::bellyroll::bellyroll: What you said is true. LOL

Seriously. If it's a good car it's a good car. If it's not don't buy it and go cry in a corner because Toyota didn't bring back your beloved 86.

If you're worried about being thrown into a group of "pimple faced teenagers" because your car is a Scion then you probably have some personal issues to attend to.

I find it funny that a lot of the diehard Toyota 86 fans are so concerned with image, yet the original 86 wasn't marketed toward those seeking image. I mean, look at the thing! It only looks awesome because you know its capabilities.
The original 86 was 1) inexpensive and 2) fun to drive! Those two characteristics DEFINE Scion as a brand.

Now, I know capability doesn't exactly define Scion... but this car could change that. Either way, no need to get up in arms yet.

I don't see Scion (and yes I own a tC ) as a down grade as some others do.. The Scion cars in North American are Toyota cars in the rest of the world... yes even the tC chaise power train and suspension is another Toyota car all around the world...

People b..tch and complain about it being a Scion now just like people B--tched and complained that Toyota dropped the celica and made it the Scion tC .. but guess what look how great that car did and still is..

and the sad part the people that complain the most are the ones that can't affored the car, or will never be able to get it.

Exactly, honestly if I remember correctly with acception to a very few percentage of people looking to purchase this car as a Toyota. The lotus owners and older members

Most Seem to be against the 25K+ marks that they would have to pay if it was a Toyota. I hate it when people forget and whine about things they can't afford. Most people looking to purchase this are college graduated fresh out with out a job. That are waiting to purchase their first or second cars.

I guess to put it bluntly

Bish why you whining, not like you can even afford it when it comes out.

and like no offense or anything but like take a look at the reality of things. The harsh reality. This being a Scion might be your only chance of getting a good RWD car to play with, before moving up to the big leagues. Your going to want your extra earned money to do other things. Toyota is hitting things right on the spot from a marketing perspective.

a Cheap RWD sports car. last time I check Toyota sports anything wasn't Cheap and we're talking today market. Don't bring figures from before the Econ crash. If a 2001 Celica was released in today market it be 25K plus. Supra would be GTR pricing level.

20K Scion? F yeah if it does what it's suppose to do. I'm in it for the car, not the badge not the heritage. If I wanted Heritage I buy a Porsche.

I'm totally cool with this being a Scion

and who ever made a comment about people being ok with this as Civic Driver and TC driver. Wtf? is wrong with a Civic? it's a good car.

LOL now that's marketing.

Actually it's not... Best yr they sold was '06 w 76k. Last yr they only sold lil over 15k... which is worse then second yr ('04 w 28k).

Sigh...
 

Sigh... Kind of disappointed, seems Toyota wasn't listening to its fans. Now all we can hope is a good performing car to prove itself. :cry: :bellyroll:

i couldnt have said it better myself. i like THE CAR. if im gonna buy a NEW car to be my first car, i definitely want it to be sexy, affordable, and somewhat fun to drive. this car wont disappoint me as a first car. im not a millionare

The TC is a good car , i had a 2az-fe in my solara it was a geat combo but to say celica is on the same level as the TC is a stretch. As far as people not being able to afford it well that would be someones personal issue

Now people are offended when I said no offend.

I have owned 2 Celicas both 6GEN's both 95 one ST one GT.. I haven driven every year celica from 84 to 2002 in every trim.. So when you talk about the celica and tC being on the same level is a stretch .. Which celica are you talking about ? GT-4 SS-III ? or the ST, GT, GT-S and which years ?

Now admin decides to show up :rolleyes:


It seems as if my post was glossed over, so let me say it again. It's not about the piece of plastic that is on the bumper, it's the thinking that went behind "let's make this a scion" a problem for me.

That being said, all of those people jumping for joy for a "$20k scion" will be the set that turn into a lynch mob when the rest of the buying public go "WTF, a $25k Scion?!?!?!".

That is all.

So we should hope that like I said, maybe the "thinking" that went into the Scion badge wasn't really any thinking at all and it comes out to be what people want despite the marketing department and whatever fail lol.

You are by far the smartest poster in this thread filled with people that don't know shit about what they're talking about. My car is a Acura RSX and its real name is Honda Integra. My engine says Honda, my windows says Honda and 95% of the car is from Japan and not made in America like a Toyota Camry vs the JDM version which looks totally different. But most of these guys are ignorant and sound like 12 year olds to me. People act like all Toyota cars are world class, soft touch plastics using cars. Wake the fuck up people SCION is TOYOTA!!!!

agreed... every part on a scion has Toyota stamped on it.. And most insurance companies call them Toyota Scion (xA, xB. xD. tC ) ... plus all the scions are Toyots everywhere else in the world... I wonder if people would have been this up set if the car game out at the Lexus FT-ES

Not what i wanted to see but what i expected...not it all comes down to what the production variant of Scytoyobaru (patent pending lol) looks like for me to. dont care for scion but like it was said b4 it can be de-badged...is basically the same car across the three brands. so all down to preference for me in a year or so. gonna be pissed if at very least if they dont give me the option to choose betwwen scion/toyota and subie thoough. If indeed a scion in the state at least give us that option to pick

^Actually past rumors about the possibility of a lexus version make me wanna wait to see how that turns out.

But maybe... just maybe this car could be the beginning of a new image for scion.
I do hope the scion version looks a little more like the first concept. Maybe the front of the first concept with the rear of the second.

Good bye toyota, hello subaru!

Honestly, what a disappointment. I absolutely hate scion and will never own one.
Toyota, you really failed.

Subaru time!

Don't mind it being a Scion, still believe it fits Scion better than Toyota in the year 2011-2012.

I don't get why some people are under the impression that the Scion 86 will be physically inferior to a Toyota 86. The other very-similar situation is the Scion/Toyota IQ, and last time I checked the Scion IQ was barely any different from the Toyota version.

There's a HUGE difference!!!!! One is RHD and other one is LHD. LMAO








Sorry, I had to do it :bellyroll:

"Oh What A Feeling" NOT!
 

Talk about mis direction . . . WOW! So lets see, their really is three sides to the truth.....so lets see...It's a bird, its a plane it's.... Who cares! WTF! Over!

I thought in Germany and parts of Africa and Russia and South America they are LHD just like the Scion/IQ... but I could be 100 percent wrong..

I hear that Scion wants to change its image to Speed with Luxury ... But don't quote me on that one... Just what I heard from someone that talked to a lot of scion people..

Wow so its a offically scion ok ok well i just need to know how it drives

This might be the best post on here so far...

at the end of the day that is all that matters...

Based on this article back in 06, their target age demographic was 8-15 yr old! It did mention the median age was 31 but unless I'm blind, majority of the Scions I see around here are teenagers to mid 20 yr old young adults.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/14/bu...ia/14adco.html

IN April, Toyota quietly began an unusual virtual promotion of its small, boxy Scion: it paid for the car's product placement in Whyville.net, an online interactive community populated almost entirely by 8- to 15-year-olds.

Same for me. I swear that the youngest Scion driver I have seen on the road or in a parking lot has been mid-20's. I have never seen anyone in their 30s or 40s drive a Scion. But maybe small sample size on my part.

The majority of Scion owners I know are 25-50.. more in the mid 30's ... but I go to a lot of Scion Shows and events..

but I been saying this ever since the debate about toyota and scion badge " I'm on the driving experience not the name"

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...ing+experience

Well, I still don't get it? Why everyone hate scion? I mean if it comes with the right dimentions, low weight, power, handling, FR layout,,,,,ect then why bother with what company make it??
Where I live everyone HATE my cars (my 86 before, and now my NA8 and my GD) as NO one here like small cars. They like'em big and heavy! Even my family and even my gf hate my cars and always tell me to get a big suv? Yet I still don't care about image as long as I enjoy driving these little cars once I turn the ignetion ON :D

As I said before, Scion or not just make the damn thing!