This.:sigh:

Well, guess what: We AREN'T happy about it being a Scion and we are the potential owners of this car and will take our money elsewhere if that crappy god-forsaken brand Scion gets this car. And I will put my money where my mouth is. We don't want it to be a Scion. Yes, the badge matters to me, and I know you aren't from Toyota because nobody at Toyota would be typing unprofessionally in all lower-case letter, nor would they be saying, "you guys are funny" and completely mocking the buyers for this car.

Quit spreading your stupid rumors.

Which further proves you don't work for Toyota and don't know jack. Go look at any Toyota interior from 10 years ago, or even 5 years ago, and compare it to the current generation. Cheap plastic is now in place where a padded, soft-touch surface used to exist. Panels that were ever so tight are now mis-aligned. And using VW's cost cutting to justify Toyota's further weakens your argument. Have you not read about how VW decontented the new Jetta/Golf for 2011?

Hell, go look at the 2005-'10 tC's interior and then feel the '11. Cheap, plastic junk. Corolla? A car that would make GM proud, but is absolutely LAUGHABLE as a Toyota and does not deserve to wear the Toyota logo.

I'd just like to re-iterate that I think you are an asshole.

In the US? None, cause to be frank TRD USA sucks. look in other parts of the world, for starters.....

This.

Fucking honda fanboy.

They won't listen to you, they did a market analysis to know what we want, remember?:rolleyes:

Looks like Subaru just got another customer :D

Should there be a Scion version...please have a Toyota 4banger in it instead.


PS....I love my Scion, so kiss my ass.

^ lol I have no clue how you take all the scion abuse

I have the way scion brands themselves and chooses to market their cars but come on its all toyota on the inside

honestly tho I will debadge and rebadge if its a scion cause its meant to be a toyota its just a scion cause its for north america

I'm not a Scion fan at all, but I don't know why people get so bent out of shape over it here. Part of me hopes it's going to be a Scion, just to see the forum tears =)

why are you talking to me about nascar?

you didn't strike a nerve, i just felt like correcting you. just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's bad.

i feel sorry for people like you.

Lol..its all good. I know at the end of the day the tC serves me well on and off the track. True enthusiasts appreciate all vehicles. Sometimes when I see idiotic post I will fire off some shots, other times I just let the car do my talking for me.

Taking off badges and putting on the JDM version is so ricey. Leave that shit to the honda crew.

What? But I was going to put on the Lexus badge. Is that still cool?:scared0016:

LOL! Scion to a Lexus. That is quite the upgrade.

I know! Right?

I was thinking I'd get, what, maybe +10 HP from the upgrade?

I recon it would also help me get laid!

Shouldn't really talk about things you know little of.

www.toysport.com

I realize their site is under construction atm, but Toysport is where you can go to basically get any TRD USA/Japan component for any Toyota car, as long as it was ever made. You can even get every piece needed to build your own Formula Atlantic 4A-GE, hell, Toysport will build it for you....aint cheap of course...very not cheap.
Got my 6.7kg FR/4.0kg RR TRD Japan race springs from Toysport.
Oh yeah....I sold those..../cry

Opinions are opinionated.

And the funny thing is, I bet most chicks wouldn't be able to tell it wasn't a Lexus. All the better though, right? Or... could she take you to court for fraud?

"Your honor, I slept with this man because he told me he drove a Lexus. But I later found out it was a SCION!! [Female plaintiff proceeds to throw bitch fit.] I want him to pay for tricking me! He took away my dignity... and my virginity! [Silence in the courtroom.]"

I remember saying this a LONG time ago in a thread far far away (ok, maybe a few pages back).

If buying this car HINGES on what BADGE the damn car has on its exterior/steering wheel, then you might wanna rethink exactly why you're buying it.

The badge is of little importance to me. The performance / driving feel is key, KEY, to whether or not I buy this car. At the forefront it has to feel agile in steering, and the engine has to rev as freely as melted butter spreads over yummy toast.

Yummy toast.

For me it doesn't hinge on the badge. It just changes the buying and owning process of the car. The driving experience shouldn't be affected, but I've stated some possible negative technical changes that could be made to make this car more Scion-suitable. (Using the base Subaru 170 hp, 2.5L motor for more torque, and more under-steer dialed in to save RWD noobs from themselves.)

Scion is a last resort.

Indeed. That WOULD be a deal breaker for me too.

Still, cannot see that happening....no way they'd be that dense.

This company did decide to put a 4 speed automatic together with a 2ZZGE powerplant for the pre-Scion Celica.

(sure they offered a 6 speed too, but just sayin'...)

Offering something in an automatic is not the same as making a severe powerplant swap. Automatic is just to push more units.

Can you really consider it rice if you are putting the badge that the car carries everywhere else in the word except here cause they think it will sell better under a "hip young" brand

I don't consider that rice but what I do consider rice would be say buying a wrx and dressin it up as a STI

Shhhhh, we don't talk about that anymore... :(

This is also the company that decided to put the 1ZZ-FED in the MR2 even though the 2ZZ-GE fits it better. :(

So too would be the logic to offer a larger, lower-revving, torquier, cheaper, FB25.

My issue with Scion is that it has always been about image, never about performance and engineering. So I'm concerned about what idiotic things the marketing types would try to get changed to make it sell better as a Scion.

"We can't sell a 2.0L for more than the tC's 2.5L! People won't pay for that!"

"Why spend money engineering a 2.0L when we can just use an existing motor?"

"RWD? Isn't that DANGEROUS??? What if we get sued when people crash?"

"Who cares if it would be better for racing? That's only for show! Our customers won't know the difference."


See what I'm getting at?

It's too late to make any major design changes to the car other than eingine selection using existing powerplants. The Scion execs aren't that horrible. and what's with all this Scion hate? Scion tC's have alot of potential and ther'e GOOD for the tuning community. Scion programs increase development of tuning parts for all of their models. Ther'e even realizing putting a 1NZFE(the weakest toyota 4 cylinder since the 3E-E) in their cars is a mistake. Although their ricer commercials don't make anyones privates hard, you can't diss Scion just because a few ricer kids drive them.

No, but I can diss Scion for making the tC something it's not.

I'm not sure how much this says anything, but if I'm not mistaken the F in the engine codes designate an economy designed engine, and a G designates a performance based engine (ex: 2AR-FE, 3S-GE). Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this would be accurate considering the tC's engine is taken from the Camry.

I'm not saying this makes the tC a horrible car (and I say that to cover my ass for our fellow tC owners) but I feel that Scion has always been a half-assed effort and that it would be nice if there was actually something designed specifically for what it is being advertised to be.

You are right the G is performance F is economy...

BUT my 1GR-Fe has me confused. I love the engine and its got plenty of power and torque.. it has a G and an F so what does that mean.

GR is the engine family, 1 means it is the first generation.

The letters after the - indicate the type of engine. FE would mean F = narrow-angle valve DOHC with E = electronic fuel injection.

When was the last time you heard Toyota talking about Performance and Engineering? Prius....Just saying..

Man if I had a dollar for every time someone said something about the engine being shared with the Camry. Guess that makes it a Camry, Rav4, and Corolla XRS all at the same time because they share a 2az-FE. Oh but wait, it has the same braking system as the Celica GTS....guess that makes it a Celica too.

In that aspect, the 240sx must be a truck also cause it got it's motor from one....

tC has NEVER been advertised to be a race car end of story. Don't get where you get this marketing from about promoting it to be something it's not. You see a commercial for Drifting with Tanner Foust on it in the tC and it get followed up by a Scion sales pitch? NO.....ya haven't because they have NEVER made a commercial in that aspect.

Just because Scion pumped money into the motorsports industry on some tC's (which they made championships out of), don't mean they made some marketing commercials for the general public to say...."Hey this is what you get from the dealership".

Does Mazda pump money into club racing Miata's or Miata race cars?
Does Honda pump money into Civic SI race cars?
Does Dodge pump money into SRT4 race programs?
Does Ford pump money into Mustang Drift programs?

What's the damn difference if Scion pumps money into a tC racing program? If you ask me, they did a better job and stimulating industry growth than anyone else has been for the past 5 years. The aftermarket grew essentially overnight for it.

isn't the Camry engine in Lotus sports car as well? Just tuned differently? hmm this is a good question. Is there any chance that if this thing is a Scion well get some sort of Dual clutch set up, like a GTi. Or at least a good auto with Paddles. I like to get mine in manual but because I live in a high traffic area I like some options.

I think so. A gearbox like the Is-F's would kick ass...but they have to offer it in manual or else the tuning community won't touch it *cough*Evo X DST *cough*. They do have the worlds fastest shifting transmission in the entire world to work from. :thumbup:

The 1NZ engine has HUGE aftermarket support in Japan.

It's not always about you or your tC, attention whore.

I just get the feeling that, they're going to put some crappy Automatic without Paddles, on to the car to save cost. A dual Clutch setup would make it extremely competitive with the competition. I wouldn't mind paying extra for a FT-S with a gearbox on par with Gti's DST, or a rev machine auto like 370z. Your right they do have the IS-F 's box to work from, I just hope we get a good gearbox for people who want DST instead of Manual. Because DC and LA traffic is horrendous.

Toyota does have a sequential gearbox, but they don't have any dual clutches. Doubt they will develop one just for this.

What part of "entry level sports car" are people not understanding here?


Some people's expectations are absurd.

One of the few FACTS toyota has said about this car, is it will be a 6-speed manual with a 2.0 boxer. Never ever have they mentioned automatic or scion.

I agree

An AT (DSG or not) is at odds with what this car is supposed to be about. Anything but a quality short-throw MT would be blasphemy.