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I can see it now:
We open with a view of Mega City One.

https://milnersblog.files.wordpress....from-dredd.jpg

America is an irradiated wasteland.
Within it lies a city. Outside the boundary walls, a desert.
A cursed earth. Inside the walls, a cursed city, stretching from Boston to Washington D.C. An unbroken concrete landscape.
800 million people living in the ruin of the old world and the mega structures of the new one.
Mega blocks. Mega highways.
Mega City One.
Convulsing. Choking. Breaking under its own weight.
Citizens in fear of the street.
The soldiers of the hall of justice fighting for order in the chaos.
And the only ones who dare to oppose them:
Racer, Ricers, Drifters, Modders, but most importantly...
TUNERS

http://digital-art-gallery.com/oid/5...igital_art.jpg
Starring Vin Diesel as "Shiv" and Karl Urban as "Judge Red"

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Originally Posted by Special_K (Post 2224111)

TUNERS

:clap: You have way too much time on your hands, dude

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Originally Posted by Special_K (Post 2224111)

I can see it now:

We open with a view of Mega City One.

Starring Vin Diesel as "Shiv" and Karl Urban as "Judge Red"

Meanwhile, in Canada:
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Originally Posted by HunterGreene (Post 2224120)

:clap: You have way too much time on your hands, dude

Tell me you wouldn't watch that movie :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Special_K (Post 2221707)

Hmm, thanks for the education. I was unaware how strict other states actually monitor vehicles, I just assumed is was more guidelines than actually enforced rules.

Yea, Oregon has literally ZERO problem with any vehicle with wheels and a motor. You don't even need doors, and in some cases even a seatbelt!

http://cl.jroo.me/z3/W/x/w/e/a.baa-S...-any-doors.jpg

Edit: I do think Portland does biennial emissions checks, but that's city ordinance only.

wish i lived there... its so... Russian.

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Originally Posted by Special_K (Post 2224111)

I can see it now:
We open with a view of Mega City One.

https://milnersblog.files.wordpress....from-dredd.jpg

Why shiv and not an actual good tuner?

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Originally Posted by Cartman (Post 2224401)

Why shiv and not an actual good tuner?

Isn't it obvious?! Because "Shiv" sounds way more hardcore than "Bob"... You must be new to Hollywood.

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Originally Posted by Yahoo Article

What GM, and even tractor companies like John Deere, argues is that you, as an owner, don’t actually own your car. Rather, you’re sort of just borrowing it for an extended amount of time and paying for the rights to use the technology.

So do they think that once I'm no longer paying on the vehicle then I should turn it back in? After all, if I'm only borrowing it, then I'm only paying rent on it, not purchasing it. But isn't that called a lease?

This part is great though.

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Originally Posted by Yahoo Article

General Motors — the same company responsible for 87 deaths related to faulty ignition switches, FYI

Clearly just the people who should be in charge of vehicle safety.

copy/paste from another thread so people can see a bigger picture:

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Except that this will be on a Fed level and manufacturers will be hitting every software and hardware tuner with DMCA cease-and-desist claims. GM even wants to make the act of copying/reading a ROM a violation.

... and it'll end up in front of the Supreme Court.

If the ECU is a copyright, then what happens when someone wants to sell a car? Will that copyright need additional paperwork to transfer?

I don't think this will end anytime soon nor will it have any effect on us for a long time.

From a different source, I found this to be surprisingly relevant to the issue at hand:

http://keionline.org/node/1574
Justice Breyer commenting during a Supreme Court case (Kirtsaeng v. John Wiley & Sons) in 2012:

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JUSTICE BREYER: -- imagine Toyota, all right? Millions sold in the United States. They have copyrighted sound systems. They have copyrighted GPS systems. When people buy them in America, they think they're going to be able to resell them.
Now, under your reading -- now, this is one of their horribles, I gather, and I want to know your answer to it. Under their reading, the millions of Americans who buy Toyotas could not resell them without getting the permission of the copyright holder of every item in that car which is copyrighted?
MR. OLSON: There may be -*
JUSTICE BREYER: Is that right?
MR. OLSON: There may be just -*
JUSTICE BREYER: Am I right or am I wrong? Am I off base or am I wrong -- am I right?
MR. OLSON: There are other defenses, but that is not this case. This case is not -*
[...]
JUSTICE BREYER: Now, explain to me, because they're horribles if I summarize them, millions and millions of dollars' worth of items with copyrighted indications of some kind in them that we import every year; libraries with three hundred million books bought from foreign publishers that they might sell, resale, or use; museums that buy Picassos that now, under our last case, receive American protection as soon as that Picasso comes to the United States, and they can't display it without getting permission from the five heirs who are disputing ownership of the Picasso copyrights.
Those are some of the horribles that they sketch. And if I am looking for the bear in the mouse hole, I look at those horribles, and there I see that bear.
So I'm asking you to spend some time telling me why I'm wrong.
MR. OLSON: Well, I'm -- first of all, I would say that when we talk about all the horribles that might apply in cases other than this -- museums, used Toyotas, books and luggage, and that sort of thing - *we're not talking about this case. And what we are talking about is the language used by the statute that does apply to this case. And that -*
JUSTICE KENNEDY: But you have to look at those hypotheticals in order to decide this case.
MR. OLSON: Well, and that's -*
JUSTICE KENNEDY: You're aware of the fact that if we write an opinion with the -- with the rule that you propose, that we should, as a matter of common sense, ask about the consequences of that rule. And that's what we are asking.

The last part is key. This is so broad that it will impact the fundamental way(s) in which people will go about buying/selling/owning anything with a copyright on it.

If this is the case, you can't ever sell anything that has a copyright without the consent of the copyright owner. How absurd is that?

-alex

Well this is interesting. Wonder how these mfgs will respond.

http://www.wired.com/2015/04/researc...public-summer/

Interesting. Apparently they would download a car after all.

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Originally Posted by f0rge (Post 2221259)

Very disturbing trend of not being able to do what I want with my own property.

EULAs don't hold up in court so I guess now they're trying to make it law?

You don't own the ECU software, and you never have. If you own a copy of World of Warcraft, you own the disk, but you are a licensee with regards to the software. It is not your property. EULAs absolutely hold up in court all the time, and the Supreme Court has an unchallenged ruling in Vernor v. Autodesk (which is from QUITE a few years ago) establishing "[...] that [a] computer software customer [is a] licensee of its copy rather than owner". This has not been overturned or challenged effectively, and long before that case was decided it was always considered to be the case and had been litigated in a number of small matters, though sometimes to different outcomes.

It would be simple to bind you as a licensee of the ECU software (if that is not already the case) but companies would probably prefer litigation to be less expensive.

Though I understand your concerns, I promise you that the realities (both legal and otherwise) of considering purchased software unilaterally the property of the purchaser are equally, if not more, grim.