Originally Posted by WingsofWar (Post 221967)

This consumer mentality is why cars today have becoming bigger, more expensive and built to target other vehicles to "fight against" ultimately becoming "boring" to some extent. The Zx6 was built on the premis of no comparison. Finding only the mechanical connection between the driver, a road in its rawest form. During engineering they took the caymen R as a benchmark of driving characteristics, not to beat in a performance test.

For someone like yourself to state continued disappointment means that your still stuck on the race, rather than the emotion that has been lost in sports cars since the mid 90s. But Im not saying your wrong, your abosuletly right in your post. But what we are trying to ask here is to shift our sight from the norm...

For many of us here who have been following this car since its announcement in 2009. What we have been searching for is not numbers, but a forgotten love story. Many people here have a big resume of cars from all sorts of power ranges, and their most memorable and heart felt experiences as an enthusiast have been with the most underpowered unimpressive cars.

The FRS/GT86/BRZ is the that same lost love story. Which im willing to pay a premium for, even if I get beat against a competition of numbers.

Originally Posted by mankarn86 (Post 222469)

This post is amazing. The only thing I see though is if you want that mid 90's sports car feel...why not just buy a mid 90's sports car. This is what makes this car a marketing nightmare, because there is no market for this car...Scion and Subaru have to create it. There is a reason why cars like the s2k, celica, supra, prelude, integra etc all died. This a niche segment that can be fullfilled by buying used 10-15 year old cars (which is what alot of enthusisats can afford anyway). Don't get me wrong, I love the car, I just see the challange Scion and Subaru are gonna face.

Originally Posted by djdnz (Post 222405)

Oh well, wasn't buying the car because it's fast.

Also...


Geez do you own that Ford GT? Dammmmn

Originally Posted by WingsofWar (Post 222003)

Well for me, the S2000 was horribly impractical, 18/24 economy is a down seller. and the fact that its a roadster.

While they are similar in handling, they achieve it in completely different ways.

What we should be asking ourselves is whats more important to us as an individual buyer? In the overall bigger picture, even if the s2000 is a better performer, the BRZ still offers the same feeling of the sportyness of the s2000 but has a wider range of uses. AKA the Zx6 has better general value.

Originally Posted by WingsofWar (Post 222003)

Well for me, the S2000 was horribly impractical, 18/24 economy is a down seller. and the fact that its a roadster.

While they are similar in handling, they achieve it in completely different ways.

What we should be asking ourselves is whats more important to us as an individual buyer? In the overall bigger picture, even if the s2000 is a better performer, the BRZ still offers the same feeling of the sportyness of the s2000 but has a wider range of uses. AKA the Zx6 has better general value.

Originally Posted by quik1987 (Post 223058)

What if I don't live my life a 1/4 mile at a time?

Originally Posted by brianc (Post 224104)

I'm willing to bet the S2000 is still faster than the BRZ on the track and just as much fun to drive. The BRZ is the car to change the industry. It's going to offer LIGHTWEIGHT, RWD, 200HP, HIGH REVVING, GREAT HANDLING.

Oh wait! Honda already did that with the S2000.

The S2000 is 50/50 weight distribution. 240hp. 9000 rpm redline. 2800lbs.

Specs are very competitive with the BRZ.

But remember.. This is a OLD car. The BRZ is a new car.

Honda did a great job with the S2000 and the Integra Type R.

New cars still aren't as quick and fun to drive as the original ITR. And that thing is from the year 2000. New cars just aren't the same. The BRZ and FRS is looking to change that. It's a good direction for automakers but the BRZ and FRS still isn't as good as some old classics.

Originally Posted by brianc (Post 224104)

I'm willing to bet the S2000 is still faster than the BRZ on the track and just as much fun to drive. The BRZ is the car to change the industry. It's going to offer LIGHTWEIGHT, RWD, 200HP, HIGH REVVING, GREAT HANDLING.

Oh wait! Honda already did that with the S2000.

The S2000 is 50/50 weight distribution. 240hp. 9000 rpm redline. 2800lbs.

Specs are very competitive with the BRZ.

But remember.. This is a OLD car. The BRZ is a new car.

Honda did a great job with the S2000 and the Integra Type R.

New cars still aren't as quick and fun to drive as the original ITR. And that thing is from the year 2000. New cars just aren't the same. The BRZ and FRS is looking to change that. It's a good direction for automakers but the BRZ and FRS still isn't as good as some old classics.

Originally Posted by Spaceywilly (Post 221895)

:dnftt:

Seriously though, this is one of the dumbest posts I've read on this forum.

This has to be a joke... you thought it would beat an S2000 ($36,000, 270hp, 8000+ rpm redline) in a drag race? And you accuse other people of having their heads in the sand... kettle, pot, black, etc.

Originally Posted by enigma (Post 224961)

FWIW, after driving an FR-S (finally) tonight, I may be willing to argue that the chassis is better than my S2000. The FA20 left a little bit of excitement to be desired, but the chassis itself was brilliant.