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Originally Posted by DoomsdayJesus (Post 1214476)

Also the same man who wanted everyone's house to be hooked up to a short range DC current and villainized Nikola Tesla through a series of ridiculous publicity stunts to push his drastically more inefficient distribution system.

Regardless of what great men think, that's different from what the mass consumer thinks and will consider buying. Great ideas flounder all the time because people don't buy them. See: every flying/amphibious car ever built. Autonomous cars will be prohibitively expensive, there's no question about that. And the only reason they're utilized in extremely small numbers now is because the long, regulatory arm of the law hasn't had their way with them yet. That will skyrocket the cost to consumers or bankrupt the idea.

Electric cars won't be practical or affordable until you can swap batteries at a station about as fast as you can fuel a car, or there's a new generation of fast charging capacitors that make batteries obsolete.

Edison: One of many poor business decisions that are in the minority compared to the great ones. Yeah he was a ****, anybody who is remembered long past their death was a **** in some capacity. Still relevant to this discussion.

Good point on the amphibious cars, the flying cars is a physics thing, it takes a lot of energy to get up into the air and stay there in a manner that is comfortable for humans.

Absolutely agreed on the electric cars, it will never replace petroleum until you can refuel as quickly AND transport the fuel as easily. It's a lot easier to carry a gallon of gas to my car stalled on the freeway or stuck in the jungle than an equivalent amount of electricity. The electric cars comment had more to do with how at the time electric cars outnumbered gas cars, combustion engines were seen as a reckless technology for personal use. Sound familiar?

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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 1214911)

The electric cars comment had more to do with how at the time electric cars outnumbered gas cars, combustion engines were seen as a reckless technology for personal use. Sound familiar?

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That's apples and oranges, who drives it is a much different thing than what drives it.

On a side note, I really thing that super capacitors are going to end up being the energy storage of choice, they've been making leaps and bounds in them. Not to mention they re-capture regenerative brake energy better, charge in no time, and with a range-extending generator you'll get asinine efficiency.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...percapacitors/
And this is the really interesting one:
http://www.extremetech.com/computing...ttery-capacity

The greatest part is performance cars will naturally gravitate towards one motor per wheel or axel, and getting a perfect 50/50 balance will be a cinch.

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Originally Posted by DoomsdayJesus (Post 1215024)

Entirely agreed. I think it's funny though how we're gravitating towards a >110 year old car design.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdina...e#Early_career
Are you recently involved in academia or R&D? Those seem to be the only people who know about super capacitors, aside from certain enthusiasts.

Any bets on who will sell a car with multiple motors (one for each wheel) first?

Edit: As to the apples and oranges, technology developments that are seen as impossible or silly sometimes become ubiquitous.

i'd buy a visconti tune

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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 1215063)

There's already small electric racing circuits, including drag racing, that are using multiple motors. As far as production, I know it's been in concept cars but not production models. I believe the Lit Motors electric gyro-stabilized motorcycle may have 2 motors for propulsion. I actually considered putting a deposit on one for commuting and considering how easily they could be trailer transported.

And I'm not in R&D/academia, I'm a 1LT in the Army and have a BS in Criminal Justice. But I'm a voracious reader and closeted nerd (although not that closeted being in the Signal Corps).

Edit: if you want to check out Lit motors, go here: http://litmotors.com I really hope they get off the ground, the videos of their prototypes are awesome. And I checked, they do have motors in both wheel hubs.