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Originally Posted by kuhlka (Post 932044)

Practicing for safety concerns IS fun. It's called autoX, trackdays, advanced driver training... What's ridiculous is your attitude.

There are pretty obvious reasons to know how to handle a sliding rear. If you can't think of any, you might want to consider taking some advanced driving courses. How many 'accidents' (driver incompetence) could have been avoided because a driver who suddenly lost traction and went sliding didn't know how to recover in rain or snow? I passed a pretty stupid crash the other day (rainy) and it happened right at the twistiest corner of my commute. I seriously doubt anyone involved has had any drivers training after they got their license. Maybe they should have gone out into an empty snow-covered parking lot and practiced sliding around, rather than cost themselves an inevitable insurance deductible?

I can say with 100% certainty that my motorcycle trackdays at Mid Ohio and Eagles Canyon improved my skills a LOT and probably saved my ass a few times on the road. Trackdays and going out to BFE to practice hammering on both brakes in the rain has saved me a few times when incompetent pricks decided they wanted to be in my lane (head-on), merged into my lane with no intention of looking, slammed on their brakes in front of me, and a few people have crashed in my immediate proximity. During none of these events was I driving recklessly and both my car and motorcycles came out collision-free.

Also, even with all of the assists on this car will start sliding the rear with any throttle whatsoever around corners in the rain. Granted the assists apply the brakes to try and keep it in line, but I'd rather get a feel for when and what it takes for that to happen than get surprised by it on the road with other drivers around.

Uhh yeah... Did you read all of my posts? I said multiple times to go out to auto cross. My problem isn't learning to drive better, it is doing it unauthorized in a parking lot which reflects poorly on the rest of us. Go read through my other posts...

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Originally Posted by BlaineWasHere (Post 915497)

They don't have AutoX in Maryland?

If I was the property owner and caught anyone doing anything other than parking or driving to a parking spot I would call the cops and press charges.

Get on a closed course and stop giving performance drivers a bad name.

Are this guy ^ and I reqlly the only ones that feel this way or am I the only one who is stupid enough to sit around arguing the point over the Internet?

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Originally Posted by DylanFRS (Post 932095)

Aaaand if you re-read my previous posts you'll see that I wasn't advocating finding your local elementary school and hooning it up. I specifically asked for private lots, which are exactly what AutoX events use for Solo events. If you took any time to watch that video I posted, you might notice it's ringed by tires.

Anyone thinking their license is safe if they try to go 'drift pro' in any old empty parking lot is fooling themself. But hey, your quibbling has taken this thread completely off topic.

Does anyone in this region know of a private lot or track like the one in the video I posted?

AutoX is great for practicing racing maneuvers, but I'd really like to play around with drifting, e-brake turns, etc. Or if anyone knows of a good advanced driving school in this region I'd be up for that. All I've been able to find thus far is trackday and AutoX stuff, which isn't what I'm looking for. This sort of thing would be especially handy for comparing wheel sizes and tire compounds without having to wait in line for a single rushed AutoX run through a preset circuit or dealing with other drivers during a trackday.

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Originally Posted by kuhlka (Post 933393)

Actually, this was the original post (not made by you, you came in halfway through this thread).

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Originally Posted by LPC_FRS (Post 910705)

Does anyone know of any empty parking lots in MD, that I can practice driving in?

If you are looking for a private parking lot in which you get permission from the owner to use their lot in whatever way you choose then great, I have no problem with that whatsoever. And when you find this owner and lot, you should let other people in in area know so that they can also use this magical place.

Most likely though the owner is going to want some kind of compensation for their parking lot to get torn up as well as wanting you to have insurance. Which is why people organize events where people can come together and pay for renting the lot and insurance together. I have no problems with this. But, I was ASSuming (<--that is for Orbital) that the original poster was not asking for a lot that people know about that the owner has given permission for anyone to come by and tear up his lot for free.

We could do this all day, where I argue that people shouldn't be hooning/drifting/whatever around in someone's empty parking lot without permission and you argue with me about how good it is to help your driving skills, the two points are unrelated:

-I agree that drifitng and hooning around improves driver skill

-I do not agree that it should be done illegally in some empty parking lot where we all look bad because someone is trespassing and destroying private or public property that they were not authorized to do.

-Justifying the above by trying to sugar coat it in saying that it is for safety does not suddenly make it okay even if safety is a biproduct of the action.

I don't think that autocross or drift events or track days are the most efficient way to learn the limits of your car. yes, you have to wait for your turn, yes the time is limited, but yes they are still the easiest legitimate way to do so. Trust me, I would love to just do 100+ mph down the highway and weave in and out of traffic and take every corner in town sideways. Yes, it would improve my driving skill. Does that magically make it okay?

Lol. All this, when I posted exactly the scenario kuhlka is asking about on page one. ;) SOOO many opinionated people. Assume everyone wants to hoon it up lol. I assumed OP and kuhlka meant rent private space for legit practice. /shrug. You know what happens when you assume.... THEN you tell us your assumptions :P

Next, my video was a parking lot. Yours is a track. Lined by tires. And a banked section. Just throwing that out there.

Last, no. There is no known places that will rent to drifters. Here's why.

-We leave 100x more tire debris and marks than auto-x

-Much much higher risk of damage. Going fast, at the edge of grip, with inexperienced drivers in cars that aren't set up for it. So what if you're insured, they don't want their stuff ruined. I.E. parking poles, curbs, buildings, etc.

-Forget any lot in a city. Even if you got some giant lot on a sunday and closed it off, drifting = noise violations. Have to be on outskirts/rural area. Neighbors start calling cops, permission or not- you have a ticket and a short end to your day. Even Summit Point's Drift Nirvana shuts down for an hour on Sunday for the local church.

That said, I'm working on trying to get Harry Grove back, but don't hold your breath.

If you DO find some place willing to discuss it, hit me up and I'll help you get it going. I set up the Sikky party at HG on page 1 :P We'll be rental day number 2 lol

Edit: Kulhka...you have an auto? That's not going to work very well....trans is NOOOT meant for that kind of abuse, much less you have no way to really upset the drivetrain. Left with power over and no way to correct or maintain besides trusting you threw it in right or just do some donuts. You won't be able to replicate the silver BRZ.

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Originally Posted by BoostinIX (Post 933593)

Edit: Kulhka...you have an auto? That's not going to work very well....trans is NOOOT meant for that kind of abuse, much less you have no way to really upset the drivetrain. Left with power over and no way to correct or maintain besides trusting you threw it in right or just do some donuts. You won't be able to replicate the silver BRZ.

Yeah, I'm not looking to go drift pro or anything. I'm mostly interested in learning how the car needs to be thrown around to do a nice controlled off-throttle powerslide to hook around a corner and accelerate out smoothly. A handy still to have down pat for the tighter autoX corners.

Also, my long-term goal is to supercharge to at least 250rwhp to be closer to my stock 05 STI's power. At that point it should be pretty easy to break the rear end loose. I'll definitely be talking to the CDC guys this weekend about who I'd contact about arranging a practice area. I'm pretty sure the even is at Harry Grove.

Anyone noticed Lucas never posted again in this thread? :dnftt:

it seems i sparked a lot of opinionated discussions :) was just curios on what i would learn about the do's and dont's of having fun while driving.

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Originally Posted by BoostinIX (Post 933593)

Aftermarket trans cooler and he'll be fine for abuse. As far as clutch-kicks...I have no idea how to replicate that other than a line-locker or something.

Do any companies sell beefed up clutch disks and torque converters for the automatic? I've see shops boosting the automatic over 300rwhp, so it can't be that weak.

So... about that parking lot...?

Taking power in a line is one thing....

Taking power during the clutch kicking is usually where the issue is. You: Have no ability to clutch kick, or control being on/off drive unless you intend to neutral drop. Alot. Lol

Can you feint into a slide and power through? Yeah. Can you go through a course and transition? Not really. Need the driveline disengaged to ebrake into a maneuver, you're essentially limited to on throttle and coasting.