Well that's not good. Not sure how they expect to get CARB approval if that's the case. @Brian@Vortech any response to that?

Just flash a pumpgas tune, leave the pulley.

There is a set of readyness checks that the ECU goes through every time the ECU is reset. It will either report "Complete" or "Incomplete" if the system is present on the car ("Unavailable" if not present). Normally, the checks are complete by 100 miles. On the car I saw, the O2 system check never hits the "Complete" state. So there might be some ECU trickery on the O2 system to prevent rich/lean CEL's. This occurred on both Visconti's and Perrin's SC tune. If you were to hook up an emissions scanner, it would give you an incomplete and the shop would tell you to keep driving until it completes.

I'm not sure if this is inherent on all FI tunes. Anyone with a turbo or other car care to try the readyness scan on their cars?

It really is hard to describe the feeling of the centrifugal supercharger on this particular car. I am a die-hard turbo guy but having tracked the Vortech kit on this platform, it really does fit the vehicles character very well. I have to admit though I STILL cannot make a decision on forced induction for this car. I have been ready to buy for months now :cry: It has never been so difficult for me to decide on forced induction EVER haha. What appeals to me more than anything about Vortech is the smooth delivery of boost and power. This combined with a high compression engine and the type of fuel delivery system we have seems to fit well for longevity. On the other hand, there are turbo setups pushing limits well beyond expectations with very little issue so its again a toss up and I can totally relate to those looking for that torque. There are ways to dramatically increase powerband levels with the Vortech via wastegate that we have yet to really see so once again who knows what peoples opinions will be on the Vortech after seeing that. It's also important and not nearly talked about enough that PSI is only one small part of the equation and really means nothing when it all comes down to it. What really matters is the compressor wheels design and compressor housing dimensions. Toss in a turbo and it becomes even more complicated with turbine design and turbine housing dimensions. When people ask me how much boost I am running it always kind of bothers me because who cares what boost you are running if you know nothing about the specs of the turbo or in this case the supercharger....... Just some food for thought for those who get hung up on PSI vs dyno charts.

Regardless these E85 numbers are pretty awesome and essentially 100HP more than anyone else on here with the Vortech so there is something to be said there for sure. Congrats on the numbers! :w00t:

This is not a flywheel dyno. The numbers he is showing is at the wheels/hub.

365 WHP with E85 12.5 psi = 400+ crank HP

I know what the readiness monitors are. That doesn't explain how you know the readiness of his car though. I'd like to hear from the owners of the cars themselves on this issue. There is no way this kit will get CARB exemption if the readiness monitors won't say ready.

This,

base on 20% loss, this is roughly 440 crank ho

Seriously? 3 different Dyno's bud. You can't compare numbers from 3 different cars using 3 different dyno's to state an argument. Dyno Dynamics are called Heart Breaker dyno's for a reason. They are the only ones I use to get my numbers with. Mustang Dyno is low reading also.

This car would break 400whp easy on a dynojet, and probably 430whp on a Dynopack.

Cool Story Bro.


Again, I am not making this into a turbo-is-better-than-supercharger argument.

Don't forget Gem used 3 different dynos at 3 different shops for his results, too.... ;)

You're forgetting the whole dyno calibration aspect of things. Dyno dynamics can be switched to read like DynoJet's or Dynapacks with a couple of clicks. I am NOT saying that's what happened here, but merely stating that not all Dyno Dynamics have to be heart breaker dynos. Considering his results, I'd peg him somewhere in between a Mustang and Dyno Jet for numbers if they are corrected.

Also, if he's hitting 12.5 psi at that altitude, he's not running any of the typical pulleys that Vortech offers. As far as I understand, they offer 8.5, 10, and 12 (measured at sea level). It's a good thing he's running E85. I'd be scared as hell to run 12.5 psi on 93 with this motor.

Oh and I love the people saying that < 100 ftlbs below 3000 RPM causes them to "snap their head back".... really? lol. Maybe in first gear...

I want everything, super charger cost, pulley cost, pump, injectors, exhaust, tune. I want to see what he paid out the door to get the power.

Retail cost, not one-time testing parts/vendor helping/super sale deals. I think the average Joe doesn't have access to all that and should know what the final retail result is going to be.

HOLY $***!!!!

That's it, I'm going with Vortech. Screw the house & other plans. LOL.

I can't believe it! I was hoping for 280-300+ whp with e85 but 345 whp???? Wow. I know for 100% certain this kit will satisfy my inner speed demon and best of all I do believe this kit is the best fit for this car's character.

I wish I had the money now or I'd buy it!

EDIT: Please keep us updated on the reliability of this setup OP! I'd seriously like to know.

That has everything to do with the tune. If the car does not have our tune, I can't comment.

Our tune should have no such issues. Most tuners specialize in a certain vehicle type, brand, or software tuning method. Our in house tuner is one of the top tuners in the country (if not the world), and is likely the only tuner in the country that has been granted CARB Executive Order Numbers on force induction applications that include vehicles produced by Ford, Chevy, GMC, Chrysler, Dodge, Nissan, Infiniti, Honda, Acura, Jeep, Cadillac, Hummer, Lincoln, Mercury, Pontiac, etc., and done so with multiple tuning formats that include Diablosport, SCT, Superchips, Split Second, Hondata, Unichip, and soon to be Ecutek. He works closely with the emissions lab on every step of the process, and has seen every one of our CARB legal systems in the last 12+ years though to completion.