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Spuds 02-29-2020 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by venturaII (Post 3303693)
I'm no slouch when it comes to motorsports history, especially from the F1/GP/sports racer/rally era from the late 50s until the mid 80s... That said, corporate engineers just aren't terribly memorable people, in the grand scheme of things. Lead engineer for the E30 M3? No idea. Ur-Quattro, Lancia Delta S4, Stratos, Porsche 956/962/959...all landmark cars made famous by legendary drivers who developed them, but no idea who the engineers were...

That's not intended as a slight against them, but rather to point out that a legendary vehicle typically gets developed by great drivers over some time, rather than clever engineers right off the bat....
To me, being responsible for a product that is remembered well beyond it's intended lifecycle is far more gratifying than being personally famous.
<-- Engineer

86MLR 02-29-2020 01:07 AM
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Remembered for the Raum?

mrg666 02-29-2020 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by venturaII (Post 3303693)
I'm no slouch when it comes to motorsports history, especially from the F1/GP/sports racer/rally era from the late 50s until the mid 80s... That said, corporate engineers just aren't terribly memorable people, in the grand scheme of things. Lead engineer for the E30 M3? No idea. Ur-Quattro, Lancia Delta S4, Stratos, Porsche 956/962/959...all landmark cars made famous by legendary drivers who developed them, but no idea who the engineers were...

That's not intended as a slight against them, but rather to point out that a legendary vehicle typically gets developed by great drivers over some time, rather than clever engineers right off the bat....
One's knowledge tells more about their selves not about what they don't know.

soundman98 02-29-2020 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3303645)
harbor freight has run it's course on me like bad taco's. now i've moved on to visting eastwood way too many times, for reasons that always escape me once i get there...

a fun place with too many ideas!

ToySub1946 02-29-2020 07:47 PM
venturaII

'but rather to point out that a legendary vehicle typically gets developed by great drivers over some time, rather than clever engineers right off the bat....'


Though not always the case:

The Senna was unveiled online by the company on 10 December 2017, with the official unveiling taking place at the 2018 Geneva Motor Show.

Ayrton Senna
When McLaren unveiled its new hypercar, a successor to the brand's P1, it came with a striking and iconic name – Senna. McLaren named it after Ayrton Senna, the famous Formula One driver who died tragically during a race in 1994.

alone1i 02-29-2020 09:51 PM
So, Tada-san is just s simple face for marketing? Or he was the main influence behind 86 except akio?
All the 86 related news, he was the dude who talk about what he did for 86. Since 86 released, there were so many news, interviews, articles about 86. Tada-san was in first page always. I have never heard or seen that much of talk of any car in any decades.
What is going on then? All were fake just for marketing purpose? Or really those were true?

soundman98 02-29-2020 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by alone1i (Post 3303935)
So, Tada-san is just s simple face for marketing? Or he was the main influence behind 86 except akio?
All the 86 related news, he was the dude who talk about what he did for 86. Since 86 released, there were so many news, interviews, articles about 86. Tada-san was in first page always. I have never heard or seen that much of talk of any car in any decades.
What is going on then? All were fake just for marketing purpose? Or really those were true?
is there any historical reference to attila the hun's second in command?

there's more to any story than what gets written down...

N1rve 02-29-2020 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 3303614)
Really? I can think few legends like, Father of Z, Katayama-san aka Mr. K. In Honda other than Soichiro Honda, def Shigeru Uehara come to mind. He helped develop iconic sports cars like NSX & S2000 (iirc DC-5). Hiromu Naruse was different engineer, but def carved Toyota's motorsports involvement and help develop Supra, MR2 and other sports cars. Of course, if you get into designer... Yoichi Sato (Rx7), (forgot the first name) Sakurai with GT-R comes to mind. Daisuke Sawai (AP1) is debatable. Not really Japanese, but want to note is Larry Shinoda (2nd gen Japanese) designer of String Ray & Mustang Boss 302 is up there on legend imo.

I'm pretty sure there are other famous engineers/designers... but that's what I can think top of my head.
Who are these people? LOL

ichitaka05 02-29-2020 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by N1rve (Post 3303952)
Who are these people? LOL
Old geezers that know few shits that make you say “Damn!” out loud.

Tcoat 03-01-2020 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by alone1i (Post 3303935)
So, Tada-san is just s simple face for marketing? Or he was the main influence behind 86 except akio?
All the 86 related news, he was the dude who talk about what he did for 86. Since 86 released, there were so many news, interviews, articles about 86. Tada-san was in first page always. I have never heard or seen that much of talk of any car in any decades.
What is going on then? All were fake just for marketing purpose? Or really those were true?
Read the development story I linked earlier. Not a simple face but not the original mind behind the car either.He also had a team of about 20 engineers working for him so did not do it single handed.

Tcoat 03-01-2020 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by soundman98 (Post 3303937)
is there any historical reference to attila the hun's second in command?

there's more to any story than what gets written down...
Belda. Humfrz can probably fill in the details from his time spent with them.

KR-S 03-01-2020 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Spuds (Post 3303741)
To me, being responsible for a product that is remembered well beyond it's intended lifecycle is far more gratifying than being personally famous.
<-- Engineer
Strangely enough, I share similar sentiments to this.

Also, thread title reads as if Tetsuya Tada passed away or something.

venturaII 03-02-2020 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ToySub1946 (Post 3303918)
venturaII

'but rather to point out that a legendary vehicle typically gets developed by great drivers over some time, rather than clever engineers right off the bat....'


Though not always the case:

The Senna was unveiled online by the company on 10 December 2017, with the official unveiling taking place at the 2018 Geneva Motor Show.

Ayrton Senna
When McLaren unveiled its new hypercar, a successor to the brand's P1, it came with a striking and iconic name – Senna. McLaren named it after Ayrton Senna, the famous Formula One driver who died tragically during a race in 1994.
Not sure what point you're trying to make? The Senna is basically a tweaked, special edition version of the McLaren 720S...and trying to capitalize on Senna's over-marketed name. Much like other special edition versions of popular platforms, whether it's a Duc 916, or a TAG watch.

ToySub1946 03-02-2020 08:21 AM
I was kinda pulling your leg there:

Your statement was implying that engineers are not as important in a specific vehicle's development as the driver's who worked within testing of that vehicle, along the way.

In the case of the McLaren Senna model, that race car driver was dead long before any thought of coming out with that vehicle.

But you have the upper hand, with lots more knowledge than myself AND maybe drivers did help with the Senna model, just not Aryton Senna.


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