Guy doesn't sound convincing at all.

i wldn't mind the NA, throw on some individual throttle bodies on it!!!

I think they added too much mass to the front and rear. The low belt line is good, but the high ass fender flares on either end goof it up. They could easily lose a bit of the chub and have something sleek.

My rough chop:
http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/a...t86_dechub.gif

sure, a 2.0L turbo with what, 210hp?? my MR2 made that 20 YEARS AGO. i fail to see how Hyundai has done anything worthwhile with that engine.

This chop reminds me of the rx-7 and the mitsubishi FTO

I think they mean the Sonata's turbo-4, the one with 270hp.

Isn't it 270 something in the Sonata? Maybe they don't want to bump up the Genesis version too much or it'll hurt the V6's sales?

274 to be exact. prolly would take sales from v6 but who cares right they need to drop that thing in the geni coupe already lol

with simple mods, the 3SGTE makes 270hp. like $500 in mods. i'm still not impressed with the Hyundai's 2.0L turbo.

I wanted this car so much! But what I didn't want is bad and fat Ferrari copy.
All the originality has gone, it is not ugly but it doesnt look lean and slick anymore.

I speculate that Toyota and Subaru will definitely aim for different markets as it is not reasonable for them to R & D just to save cost and fight in the same category.

More likely, Toyota will want to carry the spirit of AE86 and keep the important variables that made AE86 a legend.
- Light weight
- High Revving
- Low CG
In short, for market with the idea more of "Control"

For Subaru, I think they will vary slightly, keeping some of the main attributes of the R & D, but giving their version a bigger punch on the power. I am thinking that they might come up with the turbo version and compete with another segment. Don't be surprised if they go into 300hp version.

That sounds more reasonable in business sense. Share cost for R & D, and each competing for a different market share. If not for that the partnership will not make sense at all economically.

Unlikely when they've already said it will be a 2.0 NA engine.

However thats not to say a few years after initial launch they wouldn't look at what you speculate.

Yeah actually I suspect the reason why Subaru is launching later is also because they want everyone to get the Toyota first, before making changes to plans and announcing a turbo version. It isnt hard basically for them to do so.

LOL now you can guess how much thinking I have been doing on this project~!~!~!~!

Going crazy waiting for em to hit the showrooms.

keep dreaming.

Inside Line video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6i1ejgwqPY

In video, this car look even better

The whole world isn't America....but this IS America. RX8 I doubt would whoop an MS3 around a race track as well, unless it was modded or it was a course full of multiple turns and limited straights.

If I want the II to be like another high rev'er, then I hope it's like S2kish rather than RX8ish.

RX8 doesn't impress me even on boost. Swap the RX7 rotary in there, then you have done it right.

And don't bring Big Blocks into this, no one is talking about American V8 torque here. American cars aren't the only ones that can make "satisfactory" torque numbers.

I'm going to boost the SOB anyway though so...meh...moot points. More power and torque + high rev is not a bad thing.

More pics and info: http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...eme-style.html

Nadeem

That was damn sexy.

For those of you who like big muscle cars, try bringing them here, in Europe.
My Toyota MR2 (or spyder in the US), is a 23 MpG car or 10l/100km car (in real driving conditions), in its "little" 1.8L NA 140bhp engine. I love it, cause it always travels sideways.

Bear with me in a small trip to conversion units:

100km in Europe for my car is 10lt, which costs here 15Euros, which is over there 20.71$, that you can use to buy 6.17gallons and travel in my car 141.85 miles, or 228 km. Let me make it clear: 100km in Europe cost the same as 228km in the US. So being the no1 superpower in the world, owning and stealing most of earth's petrol, establishing regimes and governments has its benefits. When the price of gasoline there is 8$/gallon, then come back and ask for the FT86 to have a 5.0L or 6.0L engine or even automatic gearbox. And when that time comes, I will be going sideways in my 2.0L FThachiroku, waving at the other side of the Atlantic, at people who prefer driving sideways a 60:40 weight ratio car rather than a 50:50 weight ratio car and spending three times as much!

Damn Americans take everything for granted....HAHAHA everything in America is CHEAP!!!I love it!!

Yesterday i was in a corporate place, they showed us a chart about who consumes the most petrol.

American consumed 18.8 million barrels a day ( this being the number 1 country using the most )

2nd is China with 8.3 million barrels a day.

3rd is matched up with some countries, like Russia. Im forgetting how much but it should be around 4.X million barrels a day.

1 more thing: America produces 9.X million barrels a day while importing another 9.X million barrels a day.

har har

This was all recent information, recent being Jan, 6TH 2011

By the time gas has hit that price even the bleeding heart environmentalists won't be able to stop an overall push to have the Government allow additional drilling in our oil reserves still in the U.S., of which its estimated there's enough (consider off-shore as well) to last the U.S. and then some ~100 years, without importing a single drop.

Stealing oil, good grief....Mr. Rosie O'Donnell isn't the only American y'know? And (s)he certainly isn't the brightest.

Like many I was torn between the first and second concept. but that Video on the second page made me fall in love with the second one lol. I'm still not sure about the led fog lights though.

I think the majority of members on here don't like the LEDs. And the rear wing. And the rear bumper/diffuser height. And the... Oh hell, might as well just go back to the first concept.

I was going to post this pic in new thread... but mind as well make it into same thread instead.

So, from online friend who went to GIAS send me an early xmas present! There's a lot of papers in there, so I gonna be enjoy reading them at work!
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...5/DSC00457.jpg

Seriously Thanks (if you're still here & reading this :bow::bow::bow::bow::bow:)

edit: Also it's nothing to do w Toyota so I didn't take a pic, but in that package it came w Subaru USB flash drive! Seriously, I'm loving it!

nice, how about an upload of the files and share with our fellow club members?


i keep hearing mixed release dates... nov 2011 to mid 2012... im currently in the market for a new car....why cant it come out now damnit?!?! lol

Read the first post, Admin have posted all the stuff I've read in that file bout FT86-II.

oh my bad i had already read the first post i thought ur post was additional information.

LOL I wish, that was the case... but nope, same info. Just I have the actual copy. That's the difference. :)

hehe... would u happen to have any info about this scion nonsense?

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/02/12/r...ed-scion-ft-s/

"We know the Toyota rear-wheel-drive coupe will wear a Scion badge, and now we might finally know what it's going to be called. The just-make-it-already Toyota FT-86 concept has evolved into the Scion FT-86 and word on the web is that the production version will be known as the Scion FT-S."


legit or fake?

No Comment. Even if I know this, due to privacy policy I can't say. In the whole packet I got, there was no such info was written/shown.

Eh, forget the name...it'll be FR-S probably (FT-S makes no sense...but whatevs)...I wanna know the chassis letter! mekekekekeke.

FT-S = Front Transverse - 'Sport'? That would be the tC.

Fr-s sounds ok. Didn't the ft stand for future Toyota, can't imagine they'd keep that after it comes out. maybe ct-s lol, "current Toyota-sport" :bellyroll:

LOL! It works, but Cadillac would definitely have something to say about that.

Well technically there's a dash before the s so... jk but that'd be funny

they kept the lfa the lfa

average consumer wont know the FT stands for Future Toyota, even if you're a buyer. So...yeah they can keep the FT lol

Technically it changed from LF-A, to LFA.

I think the meanings changed too. (anyone confirm this?)

Lexus Future - A (something?)

to:

Lexus Fuji Apex.

I might be wrong but last i remember the F stands for Fuji only for the meaning behind the F-Marque Performance line, not necessarily for the F in LFA, i think that was Le Finesse something