Agreed, curious as well. We will be here waiting :cheers:

Put together a quick overview of the new car last night.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgZULLR2TNw[/ame]

Over 500 miles on the car now. Hoping to get to 1000 by end of the week so I can change oil and go get it dyno'd. We'll see though.

Losing a couple days of driving as I dropped it off at the shop for PPF, window tint, and black vinyl roof wrap.

I know im selling mine... well maybe selling mine but I just started looking at the 17 BrZ. Setups might be similar but I can think of a few things to try. Im really interested when they start tuning them, if they only got 5hp out of it with all the new bits on it that is fine, but who knows they may get more out of tuning it.

Nice.

This guy just did a dyno comparison, just like I am planning to do soon.

'13 FRS to '17 BRZ. Looks positive so far.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111631

BRZ is broken in, it does 57mph in 2nd gear with stock limiter.

Working with Shiv on Openflash beta tunes already.

Come see me at Pueblo tomorrow!😊

I was planning to be there in my BMW but got sick today and couldn't make the trip :(

Gah! Sorry to hear it, and hope you're feeling better. On my way back to Highlands Ranch this afternoon I was listening to Slip Angle and they mentioned Mayfield and another guy I saw at dinner last night that is a NASA RM regular. :w00t:

Today I will be heading to the dyno to get some baseline power numbers.

Installed some minor upgrades like brake pads, bushing inserts, and lightweight battery over the weekend.

Hoping to get the suspension on this week and get it aligned, then first autocross Sunday!

Can't wait to see the baseline numbers! AutoX this late in the year?

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We autox year round in Colorado, although less often during the winter months.

Here is the graph and power numbers, nearly identical to my 2013 FRS. Last image is the overlay of my stock 2013 FRS and the stock 2017 BRZ.

lucky! I wish we could race year round! Well we kinda do, we have ice races and winter autoX events.

Which are some of the most fun you can have in your car!!!

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...6imfrjzgvl.jpg

When do you plan on transferring mods over and doing another Dyno?

Not sure yet, I am still working with Shiv @ Openflash on the base tunes. I need the definition files first before I can dyno tune it with my tuner and the mods installed.

Video is up of the stock dyno pulls. All the suspension stuff is installed in the car and it is getting alignment/corner balance today. Should be running it for the first time Sunday.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qY6YKnH8jI[/ame]

Ran the BRZ in its first autocross last weekend. All went well, car felt really good. Mostly the same as the FRS but the power delivery is much better. No issues with the shorter 2nd gear and stock limiter, at least on that course. My tires are definitely done though (same ones I ran on the FRS all year) as I was not as competitive as I know I can be compared to others I drive with. Thinking the tires were a large part of my Nats traction problems :(

Anyways, car just has suspension stuff on it, no lightweight seats and engine is still bone stock, just has the OFT beta tune to smooth out torque dip.

I'll get a video up soon, but so far so good. Can't wait to get the engine parts on and bump the limiter up.

First event in the BRZ!

BTW nice meeting you out there Pat!

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeuRcsZEqj4[/ame]

Videos of the upgrades going onto the '17 BRZ.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4RW-s8va3E[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2iMzISjDys[/ame]

Going to nationals, Justin?

Of course. I'll be at Springs Nats/Pro as well, like usual.

I hope to see you there, I'll look for the slow guy in the new BRZ :D You can look for the slow guy in the Focus lol

Haha. Yea I have not had good luck the past 2 years at Nats lol. So slow guy is pretty accurate :D

Spring Nats I was pretty quick, but had problems at Nats this year and well, the year before was my e36 :p

It will be my first nationals and definitely not in the car to have unless it rains. Sooo I'm hoping for rain, haha.

I know the E36 isn't supposed to be as fast, but at least locally they could put up a decent fight with me. Granted, I was still messing with setup, but they kept me on my toes. Their extra speed in 2nd really had me scared this year, :eyebulge:

Nationally and with a sorted car? No chance in hell, lol. Once I "fixed" my car they had no chance locally either.

Yea I did OK locally in my e36 too, even besting some of the regular twins on occasion (usually course dependent). I really loved autocrossing the e36, there is something about it that makes it challenging and really fun to drive. Now it is a track/HPDE car, soon to get an LS1 :)

On a side note, I picked up a BRZ STi front under-spoiler:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvtQUTFt6MA[/ame]

Is there a 2017+ that comes with that?

E36 is a great car, I say that only having ridden in one, lol

You can get the STi under-spoiler for any year BRZ. It is in the Subaru parts catalog for the car. The 2017 car has a unique lip that is different than the previous MY cars.

I'm sure if you wanted to the dealer could install it for a new car purchase, not sure if the new performance pack BRZ has it or not?

If it's not installed at the factory (or port) on a model available for the model year run it's not legal ... I doubt locals care. Nats? Not sure I would.

I looked and didn't find it on any 2017's, but wasn't sure if I'd missed something so asked. You may already know it's probably not legal, but...

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Oh yea, the rules...No, it is legal, or should be under section 2 below as it is explicitly allowed. I checked rules before buying it of course, and I have seen multiple BRZ's at Nats the past 2 years with them, some cars with the entire STi lip/sideskirt kit.

It comes from the Subaru Accessory catalog, not a performance catalog, and it is installed as directed by the manufacturer.
http://www.subaru.com/content/dam/su...ccessories.pdf

Worst case is I would just pull it off before Nats, takes 10 minutes, but I think it will be fine.

From the Street Touring section of the rule book:

I forgot you're going STX, in which case it works since it's listed for 2017 in the catalog.

I still believe for Street, this does not hold true.

Sorry for the noise. :) Today marks the first day of "no driving till April" so I'm a little grumpy.

No worries. Yea I agree for Street it would be a no go unless it came on the car originally.

No driving until April? Bummer :( Washed my car today, 55 and sunny :) Although supposed to get cold af next week...fortunately I'll be in San Jose for work :happyanim:

Since it's listed under the STi section of the catalog, doesn't this make it a part of Subaru's performance catalog and therefore ineligible?

Has anyone thrown paper or written a letter on this? Personally I wouldn't like my chances. I was one of the first to install the TRD bits in CS, but there was some serious research done to prove the parts were port-installed and I felt my chances were very good if someone threw paper.

The way the rule is worded it just says "US accessory catalog" and "STi brand" is just a part of that catalog. It does not say "performance" which is what is explicitly prohibited while "accessory" is explicitly allowed.

I haven't heard any protests in regards to it, but like I said I have seen people with them at Nats. The TRD bits are a little different I think, they are performance enhancing whereas I do not see a front lip being a performance enhancement.

I actually think the chances are very high of the STi under-spoilers surviving a protest. I'm no expert in protests, but the protester would have to provide clear evidence that it is not allowed, or provides a performance benefit, right? On the other hand, there is clear evidence that it is allowed

Anyways, Spring Nats is a good time to look into potential protests, so I'll have it on the car and ask around. I don't think it will be a big deal and worst case I will just take it off for Nats, not that I think I will be in contention for it to matter anyways :p

STi is EXACTLY like TRD, NISMO, and friends. You really think you can convince a PC that they are different somehow? Also, you really think the title on the catalog matters compared to the spirit of the rule? Toyota could publish the same bits in the "Toyota US accessory catalog" with TRD stampings and it would be just as illegal IMO; just because the TRD parts catalog gets embedded in another catalog does not suddenly make it legal.

2nd...why do you want to install it if there's no performance advantage? It sure looks like there is to me - Toyota extended the length of the front lip on the 2017s precisely for the reason the STi front lip exists: better aero.

3rd..."other people ran it at 2016 nats without issue" isn't a good defense to the PC unless they were protested and found to be compliant.

IMO these violate 14.2.F.2. They would be ok if they weren't in the STi section of the catalog or if they were available as a port install. I'd be less salty if they were available to me. :)

When Fenstermacher did the due diligence on the CS TRD parts he was happy to send all his documentation to the SEB for a tech bulletin because he was extremely confident they would be found legal (and they were). If you are equally convinced they are legal, you can request a tech bulletin as well and that will nip all protests in the bud. If you think there's a chance the SEB won't see things your way, then maybe they aren't legal after all. Edit: you can search previous Fastracks for previous tech bulletins as well, or search the monster STX thread. It may have been covered already.

Pretty sure the STI lip isn't legal until there's another "series blue" with the lip.

Wow relax, I bought it because it looks cool...

Sorry, but I am not going to argue over this. If someone were to actually protest me, then I will hand the PC my printed copy of the 2017 BRZ Accessories catalog and say "here, this is my evidence which says my part is explicitly allowed per rule 14.2.F2."

Also, here are others thoughts:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...postcount=2506

Prior to 2017 the STi trim was available on the series blue and thus legal.
2017, you're relying on it being in the upgrade catalog. It's been covered.

Legality of an STi lip for 2013-2016 and 2017+ cant be compared because they're different models, no swapping or update/backdate provisions.

I suspect it's a bigger deal for discussion because these build threads are often used by newcomers. The STX thread probably is the better place.

Relax. If you don't beat me I won't protest. ;)

Yea I thought that was pretty obvious the way the rule is written. The rule says either, so as long as you meet one of the provisions you are legal...