Come onnnnn tcoat, let the dreamers and the wishful thinkers have their fun! Its fun to try and guess what is coming next! I think those renderings are top notch given the spy shots they had to work with.

And about high level leakage, i'm not an insider like you but I would assume that sometimes these guys tell their kids or people in their family some sweet details and then they go off and make a scene about it and maybe in some select instances it makes it to the web. Or maybe it doesn't, you never know !

Oh don't get me wrong! No issue with the creative guys that are trying to figure things out and clearly speculating. It is the "I know somebody and it will be XXXX" guys I am calling out.

You know, if our cars had a diesel engine I'd be genuinely excited. Just imagine how stumped people would be if a little sports car was filling up with diesel?!

Ive been seeing info flying around for a while. I read the scion statement, not many changes but changes all the same. The most important question is the mechanical one, why are they so vague about the hp when its the most important thing to any new buyer.

One way to keep the HP the same and add a boost in power and keep the 86x86 specs in the engine is to do what Formula 1 does. Add an inline (at the trans or at the crank) electric boost. To keep weight low it may be only 10-15 HP gain but would still keep the nostalgia of the "86" while adding more weight lower to the ground than a turbo or and it would be largely unseen. Just a thought. :p

I'd buy it. Something about the way diesels sound at idle makes me get a weird feeling in my pee pee

No, no, no, no and no.
Some maybe, but not all. Probably not even a majority really.

I didn't buy mine for that reason. I want a fun, great handling daily driver with track ability 5-6 times a year. If people want a HP increase which would be minimal if they do, they need to research this car more. Those that have buyers remorse because of discovering this is not a straight line performance car are at their own fault for not researching or even test driving before purchase. I'd say HP will increase lightly but I wouldn't expect anything over 15hp. Changes in head design, intake, trans gear ratios, mapping change would be done before any FI.

But this car is not engineered for the consumer with high HP since the buyer can do that on their own.

With tougher emissions controls laws coming out world wide every year it will be harder for them to wring much more horse power out through basic changes. With this in mind even 15 is pretty optimistic since what ever they do they will have to reduce the emissions while trying to bump power. Quite the juggling act really.

I agree with everything you say. It wouldn't be drastic boost or something you'd see by lifting the hood to see the engine, no matter what hp this car is it's an amazing ride but put one with 210 hp and another with 200 hp side by side which one would you choose? I'm thinking if they have boosted the hp slightly they won't announce it till most of the older stock is sold. I guess only time will tell.

LmfaOOO! Yuh!:lol:

It is funny that so many people still demanding power. When I first drove my car, what I wanted was more handling.

If they can cure the torque dip, up the redline slightly and use stiffer bushings for the drive train to get as much power to the ground as possible they can really improve the 0-60 without materially changing the engine power output.

Smaller engines with big turbos. Isn't that how Ford is doing it now?

The biggest thing I think most people don't get, is yeah, sure, the twins get a power bump, 220hp, 190tq? Something like that, I don't know if that's a reasonable tq output, but regardless, just a number there for arguments sake. If the price is kept at 26,xxx, how many people will then start to cross shop the WRX and the twins? It may not be many, but it may be enough to sway some people. I think that may also be part of the reason for the TQ dip. But, I don't know. I don't care enough to look at spec sheets and price out the different cars to know. What I (and I'm using i as my preference) is that after a year of ownership, the "low power" is the least of my present day concerns. The car is fine for the price and it's fine for what a prospective buyer is looking for. Whether that be "fun" or, "ohhhh, it's so pretty!"

Though, with that said, even if there is a power bump, I won't be buying another FRS. And that's only because I realize that a GT car is a better fit for me.

Toyota bought 18% of Volkswagen when the stock dropped. Won't be long now.
Sometimes I sit in my driveway and wait for the DI to kick in just so I can listen to it.

in b4 moroning.com.au news article:

"Toyota confirmed to be rumored with working with Porsche on developing new turbo boxer four engine for the next generation GT86; Porsche releasing own version of the iconic sports car as the 924"

Exactly! This is a list of things that could fix without increasing engine power. Another thing could be to change the rear drive shaft with a thicker one. Under hard acceleration the car is not transferring currently power smoothly. Of course, all these changes would mean extra development effort and parts with a higher cost. This could increase the car's base price or not?

This is pretty acceptable. Different people can have different priorities or likes.

I'm with you on this one Cole, this is my first sports car and I've always been into cars since forever, I believe in earning power and skill, this car is the first rung on the ladder for handling wise, I feel a GT, WRX etc all are on the next rung

I don't see it as "earning" something. It's just simply my opinion that I'm not using the car for what it's made for. There really aren't too many great roads around me, and the ones that are close to me, are heavily patrolled by police. So I could go and have a scenic drive, but I have to stick to the limit. I have a really great back road near me that's about 5km of tight turns and long, sweeping turns that are great to hit around 80kmh, but I'm always worried about being a little over the limit, especially when there's some traffic around. So, something more comfortable with better creature comforts is high on my priority list since I just don't have the time to go to the track or autox because of my work schedule in the summer.

Ah... I guess that's where we differ, me and my friends now all the affectionately called Pennsyltucky backroads near us with tight corners and such a mustang wouldn't totally be great for. However the new ones are changing my mindset now with the IRS in the rear

Oh, sure! Next thing you'll be telling us it that the FR-S/BRZ/GT-86 will stay with a front engine configuration instead going to a mid-engine layout like the next Corvette. :)

Mid engine, AWD with a hydrogen fuel cell power plant according to my buddy that delivers Coke to the cafeteria at the Toyota tech center.

I actually heard from a guy online that once drew a Toyota-like car for an anime program (and therefore has an "in" with the higher-ups at Toyota) that it will be mid-engine, FRONT wheel drive. As a result the FR-S will be renamed the MF-S.

I heard from my very close janitor friend who works in the Toyota corporate building that the next generation FT-86 will have a nuclear fusion reactor for the engine and will only be available as a pickup or van.

It will also only be front wheel drive.

Ohhhh dude, there is no way they can add the S to the end of that if FWD. At best it is a MF-Se.

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Should see the 2017 86 release and specs in January/February. So not too long to go.

Nope. Not official ones anyway. When did we see the official specs for the 16s?

:party0030: My dream is to take my care on a track which I did Months ago. I plan to continue on the track until I can't take it anymore...which is never :thumbup::burnrubber:

January 30th 2015

Probably in the Tokyo Auto Salon 2016 (January 15-17)?

Why are we worried about 2017? We aren't even sure we've seen the 2016 yet

What more are you looking for for the 16s? There is no doubt that what they released is it. Even the Special Editions are already released.

Im not worried cuz I'm not trading up. Very happy with my 2013 Hot Lava. I guess I didn't take any pictures seriously since all the threads I've seen everyone is either saying it's a concept or photo shop

Those are the possible 17s (or even 18s) they are talking about with the photoshop and concept comments. The 16s are what they are and many already have them.
I was just confused by your statement "We aren't even sure we've seen the 2016 yet".

No I said exactly what it sounded like. I suppose by now they have been released though. So if they refreshed for 2016, why would there be another refresh next year?

Dude the 16s have been out for months and months. All they got were a couple of new colours, different coloured interior trim and a back up camera. There was no real "refresh" to them.

You got some kinda problem with me? I thought we were cool but I just don't know anymore

Nope no issues! You may be reading as angry what is simply typed as info.