The guy did pulled into your lane, and I don't think you were driving in the blind spot either. But you drove too fast at that light. Seems like you sped up for that yellow light where the black cadillac behind that white suv did stop just fine. 95% of people in your case would just slow down to a stop.

Both of you are going to get a ticket

You for Aggressive driving, reckless.

The SUV for unsafe lane change without signal.

I am totally agreed with you. In fact, I hate people who would risk an accident to Honk at others, or to scare others...it is just too stupid

" any vehicle proceeding upon a highway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic"

Did YOU read that. That law (AND the ones in MY state) are for on the HIGHWAY. NOT city streets?

WHY because on a city street, there are numerous cases where you must stop in the left lane to execute a left turn. Therefore the "Fast lane" rule does not apply on city streets.

People just don't know how to drive defensively in lots places in US, I blame fail driving edu.

Yeah she pulled out without warning but it looks like you were a little too eager to be the first one in line in that open lane at the light. You woulda stopped in time had you not gunned it prior. And that gangsta rap playing certainly wouldn't help your case. Be glad its just a fender.

People in the danville/san ramon area LOVE to come to full stops at yellow lights, it's no surprise this person had the gall to change lanes at 2mph with the light still yellow.

You do know you are supposed to stop at a yellow light, right? You are only supposed to go through a yellow light if stopping would be "unsafe."

Regardless of this fact, you say, "this person had the gall," as if the SUV driver doing something like this is completely unimaginably and unbelievably stupid. Furthermore you mention they do this with the light still yellow. Now, yes, if the light had JUST turned yellow, and the person was almost stopped and changed lanes, then I would be more inclined to agree that it was a stupid move. But that's not the case. The light had been yellow for quite a few seconds. In fact, look at the image below:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...86726699_n.jpg

The light was already RED by the time the car had JUST crossed over into his lane. In addition, look at how far back from the light he is. This situation is a perfect example of two people failing to do their respective parts of defensive driving. On the one hand, the person in the SUV should never have assumed that he was going to stop for the light. On the other hand, driving defensively also means being as predictable as possible around others. That means using your turn signals ahead of time, signalling your intentions, and NOT BLOWING THROUGH A STALE RED LIGHT.

So basically, on the one hand, you've got an SUV driver assuming that the car behind him/her isn't about to blow by them and run a stale red light, and therefore deciding to squeeze in ahead of them to get around a slower vehicle. On the other hand, you've got a BRZ driver assuming that he can blow through an intersection in which he is not even close to having the right of way. You tell me who was being the bigger idiot.

Sorry, I really sound like I'm one-sided here, and that's because I am. You can argue all day long about who was at fault, and how the SUV driver was the one who broke the law since they changed lanes within 100 feet of an intersection, but the accident only occurred because the BRZ driver was attempting to break another law - running a red light. And, quite frankly, the latter is much more serious, and much more inexcusable. Everyone changes lanes within 100 feet of intersections. Not everybody runs red lights like an idiot.

And if I sound bitchy, it's because reading through this thread kind of irritated me since so many people were all, "It was completely the other driver's fault," when that is not at all true.

That light was red way before you got near the intersection

The other driver may be cited with unsafe lane change, but with the video you may get cited as well. Not going to attempt to armchair lawyer here, but the light was very red. Was your intention to make it through the intersection, or to get your own clear lane at the light? The person that pulled in front of you wanted the clear open lane, its common for people to change lanes nearing a red light for this reason

I think both people are at fault because this could have been avoided if the drivers were not so aggressive :iono:

Where I live all roads are considered a highway, even residential. Might want to check your definition.

In our state "Highways" are "State roads" (i.e they will have a HWY66, etc. sign associated with it.)
The "street" in front of my house does NOT have a "passing lane".


1013. Passing lane -definitions - penalty.

(1) A person shall not drive amotor vehicle in the passing lane of a highway if the speed limit is sixty-fivemiles per hour or more unless such person is passing other motor vehicles thatare in a non-passing lane or turning left, or unless the volume of traffic doesnot permit the motor vehicle to safely merge into a non-passing lane.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway#United_States

Do not confuse highway with freeway. City streets can easily be considered a highway if the capacity of the roadway is high enough.

-alex

I think that most of us would agree that the road in the OPs video is NOT the kind where you would consider it to have a "fast lane".
AND that the OP was doing nothing wrong by slowing down such that other traffic was passing him on the right.

I'm not a lawyer nor a judge, that's for a court of law to determine and an officer to cite, if they choose.

-alex

My rule of thumb is that if there is more than one lane, I keep right. I don't care whether I am "legally required" to or not. It just makes everyone's lives easier and safer when they don't have to weave around slower traffic.

Well, due to the fact that most red light violations in San Ramon are close to $500 minimum, I'd be stopping at yellow lights too.

There is NOTHING in the video leading up to the incident that would even be called into question TO CITE. The "left lane" or "fast lane" is a moot point so I dont even know what you are talking about.

Even if he WAS violating some "fast lane" law (which he wasnt - since he never passed someone on the right), it has nothing to do with the incident.
AND he cannot even be accused of "parking in the fast lane" even if it was a fast lane.

In FACT if anyone violated the fast lane rule, it was the car that got hit because HE passed on the right.

I don't like the exhaust note. You asked bro. That annoying drone gets old and your ears probably won't like it when you're older. Sorry about your car. Dealership bumped my front bumper during first oil change, so body work at 3k miles was no bueno.

I dont think he was trying to run the red light, but rather stop the other driver from changing lanes.
I see this everyday, and I do the same thing the OP did. Im coming up to an intersection, noone in front of me, and someone in the opposite lane wants to get around the car in front of him and have the clear lane. People do this even if they are a much slower driver than the guy in front of them. It pisses my off and I will speed up to stop them, problem is that it does open the possibility of something like this happening :(

In no way were you in the blindspot. OP was clearly in line with the left side mirror for a good time before the lane change. Other driver's negligence to check mirrors imho.

You shouldn't be at fault, in Ontario anyways, you're not legally aloud to merge when the light changes :/ could be wrong though

1. I just realized what your name means. :w00t:

2. It did not look like you were trying to run a red light or even attempt to run a yellow.. You could have simply been moving up to the crossing line because it was clear path until that guy cut in.

The only way I see they can say it is a little bit your fault at all is that they would argue you could have braked faster and harder

Hopefully you kept yourself cool when dealing with that idiot cause I would have lost my shittttt :mad0260:

Just saw this has been a few weeks ago - any updates on the situation?

An update for ya'll. Looks like the other insurance company did try to pin partial fault on me, but my adjuster wouldn't have it so he submitted my statement to the higher powers, along with the vid. Got my deductible back in the mail last week, so looks like I'm off the hook this time...

As you should be since the other driver impeded your progress. The fact that the light changed is moot, and you weren't doing anything wrong up until the moment that you theoretically would've run the red. Good on your insurance company for sticking up for you. Hate to see that happen to another DGM :cry:

A bit late to the party.

Glad you got out of the fault.

But... I firmly believe you're not at fault.

Fuckin' changing lanes last minute like that is fucking stupid. Everyone saying his reaction time is slow... you guys forget to realize there are two options that pop up when that shit happens. You look for your "exit route" and you slam your brakes at the same time while hoping the fucker doesn't hit your car. At the same time you pray the idiot sees you coming and changes back into their lane.

Anyways... as for the "speeding up" at the yellow. I would've just said I was rev matching. It sounds like I'm speeding up but not.

Just letting you know that you have convinced me to buy the FT86SF Catted UEL Header.

Sorry you had to go through this.

Thanks :D I honestly did expect him to back off after I laid on the horn. It seems like just a year ago when people actually responded when you gave them a warning honk, but these days, they just shove in front of you with an "I'm entitled to cut you off, deal with it" attitude. Faith in the average American driver: lost.

The exhaust is pretty audible inside, but it's not an ear-piercing drone by any means. I agree, I will probably want a quieter, more mature-sounding car after this one, but I still think the current setup sounds amazing. I'll call it a "ricer phase" for now.

I know how you feel. I commute 85 miles a day round trip on freeways in traffic. The amount of stupid careless drivers cutting people off in their lanes is far too common. I get these close call incidents every damn week! I usually honk profusely and high beam the driver... I have so many dashcam vids on my iPhone with lane change close calls. Maybe it's time to get a real dedicated dashcam..

Also it appears that from most of the incidents I've recorded, half of the cars are trucks or large vans. Are we just invisible to them?!

My commute is 80 miles round trip brotha, and the dashcam was the best $50 investment I've ever made! I feel naked driving without it now...

I want to believe that our cars are just so low and small that they looked but didn't see us, but my cynical mind leads me to believe that truck/SUV drivers simply don't bother to look because having such a big, heavy car makes them feel so safe (read: isolated from the road/traffic) that they don't feel the need to check. I don't want to misrepresent commercial truck drivers though--most are very professional and are some of the safest drivers on the road.

I get that shit on the 5N heading towards the 10.

God.

-_-

Dude! Great news. I am sure you will remember that not everyone on the road is paying attention. And - driving a twin is kind of like matrix time - we zip around a bit faster than other folks. So - keep the eyes open and drive defensively!

By the law its his fault. IMO my human morality meter says its your fault. really really stupid self centered driving. you should think about what other drivers are perceiving and realize not everyone is playing hyperaware driving game. He's casually driving and doing something you should have expected. I wouldn't ride with you if I saw this video.

Thank you, teacher, we've established that about 10 times in this thread already

It's in their fault. They came into your lane and you hit them. It's as simple as that. Always drive in the sense that everyone else is mentally challenged behind the wheel.

In conclusion: time for rocket bunny.

I need your dash cam... where can i get it LOL

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...3&postcount=76 :thumbsup: