Need a warning for posts like that.
What has been seen.... cannot be unseen.

I vomited a little

You don't have to wait for the "kids" to "Rice Out" cars anymore. Go to any good size car show and you can find the 50+ crowd doing it also. My local cruse has a new Stingray with red under body and under hood lighting, 08 Mustang GT with lambo doors and under car lighting lots of stick on body mods, and numerous Challengers with all sorts of wrong things done to them and most of the owners over 50 years old. I have met most of them and for the most part there very nice folks just don't share my taste as I am sure others hate on my classic car for the drag look and sound and some hate my FR-S just because it is an import.

Also there is a huge double standard for imports/sub compacts I kind of find funny. There is a super nice C6 making 600hp on the engine and over 800 with the spray that has airbrush work and CF body parts and lights all over it but it seems accepted. If I did the same to my FR-S and made 400hp it would be rice and my 69s exhaust for example is 94db @ idle 126 @7000RPM had it for 15 years and never been messed with, my Lightning was around 70-95db also never a second look but I have seen the cops ignore my cars and mess with a Civic or WRX for having a loud exhaust or open BOV and then have to wait until the offending car leaves before I can start my car and leave.

To OP: I let some "kid" I know (knew) at a local 86 meet rev my car for me so I could hear it outside. He bounced off the limiter almost nonstop, totally disrespecting my shit, until I told him to cut it out.

I felt like I a complete idiot for letting him do it, and because afterwards, I'm sure people thought it was me and I did no not want that vibe associated with me.

Normally, even if my car is loud, I drive respectably. But there are people like this "kid" that drive like morons and give our cars a bad stigma. Example, I'm driving 65mph, and this "kid" is on my ass, forcing me to inch faster and faster, which resulted in both of us almost getting pulled over.

There are at least 2 different types owners of these cars: mature and immature.

I know who I'm not cruising with anymore, and I hope you read this :)

how is the kid an idiot for doing exactly what you told him? i think the truth is (like you might be alluding to) that there isnt just a mature/immature divide. its a gradient and thats where a lot of the issue comes from. for example, you come here to a ricer thread with an avatar with smoked tail lights. a lot of people would say thats pretty rice. to each his own.

Aesthetic car modifications is like political preferences. Some people are conservative, some are moderate, and some are just totally out there.

What I'm gathering from this thread is that "ricers" don't like other "ricers" lol.

I challenge someone to show me a car community where there is zero rice, stance, or whatever isn't "cool" anymore.

I think there's some adverse selection going on when you read forums and facebook groups. The types who show off their cars there will usually be the flashier, attention-seeking ones with crazy cosmetic mods. But then again, who wants to look at pictures of peoples' stock-looking FRSs/BRZs?

Agreed. But I was referring to driver habits, not aesthetics.

As for him revving the shit out of my motor, I had revved it lightly to to appease a small group. Upon me stating that I had never heard my car from behind, I guess I let my curiosity get the best of me.

Do you even own an 86?

I think most of us knew exactly what this car was about and who it was for when we bought it.

Everyday I restrain myself from going into the member journal forum and shi*ting on all the rice builds. Thing is every sporty model manufactured has the "show" crowd. And a huge majority of online speed shops cater to the appearance crowd because its cheaper, higher margain and most of the buyers want uniqueness, to stand out.

When I had my first s2000, all the local guys modified the piss out of their cars most of which could not even drive them to save their lives. But what I learned is even though they pissed away their money many of them did not know any better.

This car reminds me a lot of that scene. When I meet other owners or young guys at events with the car, there is a ton of interest from these guys which I have not seen for a while. The car has attracted a new generation of car enthusiests, but with that of course comes inexperience.

All you can do is try and be an ambassidor for non rice and call people out when you see stupid crap.

Complains about ricers. Has HIDs on his FRS.

I'm not in a large city, so perhaps my view isn't as skewed. Sure, if I look online I could find any car, and any trend within a group of owners and hate on them. When it comes to who I actually see in an 86 on a daily basis it's never any of those people.

I think you need to step back from the internet actually. That's likely what's pissing you off, not so much the 86ers you meet on a daily/weekly/monthly basis.

I've had my car for just over 2 years now and my insurance hasn't gone up at all. I'm pretty sure a 25-30K Japanese, rear wheel drive, sports car is going to fall into a specific category of insurance and the insurance companies have already figured that a bunch of idiots were going to wreck them. I don't think were going to see our insurance rates do anything super crazy, aside from the individuals who do stupid things in our cars.

As far as the civic thing goes. Our sales numbers peaked in 2013. Likely the sales aren't going to hit the same number this year as they did last year. The economy is still on the uptick, so it's not that. It's likely market saturation. The twins sold about 26,800 cars in 2013 (http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/p/sales-stats.html). There were roughly 330,000 civics sold. Say 10% were Si's? (I can't find any data on the Si specifically) Likely next year there will be another 33K Si's sold, but the number of twins is likely going to be lower based on numbers through April. In 2012 the twins number was around 12k (but still 33k Si's likely).

My point is that this car is going to be a limited run. Think of it more as the modern 240 in comparison to who buys it. It's not practical like a Civic, it's not as pedestrian, it makes compromises in ways the Civic doesn't...it's just not the same car for a variety of reasons. Is it the same in the sense that people put fart cans on them? Sure...but now a days that's every car. /shrug.

Ease off the internet for a couple months, enjoy your car for the reasons you enjoy it, stop caring what other people do or think. You'll be better off for it.

God no!

I'm not cool enough to own a BRZ.

They are standard in the UK on the 86.

Yea, but your projectors are designed for HIDs. Sticking HID bulbs and ballasts in a projector designed for a halogen bulb is not a good idea. The light dispersion pattern is just not right. If someone is going to do it on a US FRS they need to do a projector retrofit or buy new headlights to do it properly.

True there are some serious restrictions on HID bulbs here in the UK due to glare for oncoming drivers. They have to be self leveling and have washers for example.

Pet hate of mine, more so on the motorbike in rain, is people coming the other way with badly aligned headlights dazzling you.

I know people who go into the MOT (annual compulsory vehicle safety check) with their lights set to the lower limit, then as soon as they exit they raise them back up to blind everyone. Don't know if you US guys have the saying, "I'm alright jack"

Almost every new slightly sporty becomes a Civic (Civic= initially new and sporty/reliable then modded to fill in performance/missing features of more expensive cars then bastardized when they become affordable to the cretins forms that think chrome door edge protectors look good on every seam).

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Anyways, point made I guess.

You are actually coming off as some college kid trying to be "it" without much knowledge.

I like your humour sometimes, however, you seem to go on emotionally driven rants quite a bit. Perhaps your hormones are still all out of whack.

Many people have severe hearing loss and think the Toybaru is not loud enough. We should have sympathy for those acoustically challenged owners, and not to be-little them.

Some owners must have really substantial bottoms and think the ride of the Toybaru is not hard enough. I am envious of the shock absorption property of their body parts.

Some people suffer from poor eye sight and cannot find their cars in the parking lot. Making their Toybaru an eye sore serves a functional purpose to allow easy identification at parking lots. It is not just their bad taste in aesthetics.

The Toybaru is so badly designed and assembled that there is countless and ceaseless rattling of all sorts. The annoyance of all the rattling can only be covered up by playing really loud sound at all time.

Last, but not least, sometimes monster wheels and tyres serve as a modern phallic symbol, especially to those who are less well-endowed physically. No one should take away their fig leaf for the last bit of self-esteem.

There is usually a good reason for everything, let's not pass judgement hastily.

http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/mytig...ght-lenses.jpg

Altezza Lights - Aftermarket = RICE

http://www.japanesesportcars.com/pho...dy-kit-003.jpg

Stock Altezza lights = Not RICE ???

I knew exactly what I was getting. All performance cars share this phenomenon, some just sooner than others. When you're starting with Scion/Subaru and close to $25K it's going to happen sooner. It's happened to Miatas, Z's, S2000's... Pretty much any sporty car worth having has this same thing happen. They're affordable to a generation that is concerned about personalizing the look of the car, with questionable influence on the functionality. That's about as politically correct as I can put it.

As far a how I feel about it, first, I could not care less what someone does with the same (or similar) car that I own. Mod it how you want. I don't have to like it, and I don't really care what you do. If I think it's stupid, I'll quietly chuckle to myself. If you lower the car 4" and get stuck on a speed bump, I'll chuckle a little less quietly.

Second, insurance on these kinds of cars isn't as cheap as on a Camry. If you didn't know this, you are in for a surprise when you need tires - they don't cost $79 apiece like Camry tires, either - and while I'm at it, welcome to your first sports car.

Third, I don't mind when people ruin them because that just makes mine more valuable.

What I love are the people who put 19" alloys on cars and to get them to fit under the arches they put on about 15* camber. I wonder if they even know what camber does.

One such car locally is an Audi S4 Estate (Stationwagon). He claims to have 540bhp. Yet he is running about 15* camber front and rear in a 4WD car. There is no way in hell he will EVER get 540bhp down on the road when only about 5% of the tyres are actually in contact in a straight line and .... if there is that much body roll in a corner to justify 15* camber, then a better choice would have been suspension and anti-roll bars before the silly wheels.

I hope my car is rice lol

I'm not concerned. The Civic is basically an economy car that people mod to make it appear sportier than it really is. The twins are a purpose-built sports car designed from the ground up for performance. At no point in time will a Civic ever be comparable to this car, regardless of how much people rice out either one, because at the end of the day a riced out Civic is nothing more than a riced out economy car.

Twins:
$24k-$27k
H-4 2.0L
7.5K redlline
200hp
150 ft-lbs of torque
RWD

Civic SI:
$22k-$24k
I-4 2.4L
7K redline
205hp
174 ft-lbs of torque
FWD

Rice territory?

So, from what I've gathered. OPs car has an exhaust and intake tube. Then super bright LEDs in every light, HIDs in stock headlights, lowered, shark fin, hella horns that he painted white so you can see them through the grill, and valenti tails. And currently looking for wheels and tires.

You realize most people would consider your car rice right? Pretty sure by your own definition it would be considered rice...

So, how about we move past this pointless word and just live with the car we purchased. If someone wants to put a full exhaust on a quiet car, who cares? If someone has a body kit...what's it matter?

Didn't the designers of the 86's flat out say, "we left a lot of the car for the owners to personalize"? That's what people, including all of us, are doing. And is exactly what the car was MEANT for...

In my mind, this kinda' has the same feel as "Those two guys shouldn't get married because it reduces the value of my marriage." :)

I'm sure I'd prefer your car (or a completely stock one) over a riced one, but someone else ricing out their own ride doesn't impact me, so I don't care.

Old but hilarious site. laugh at rice

http://laughatrice.blogspot.com/2007...ner-crapz.html

If you don't want Rice, don't click my build...


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This is generally the case with ANY sporty looking car. It's not exclusive to imports. The reason civics are generally the most riced out cars is because they've been around for so long. Many of those people buy up civics around 10+ years old because they're dirt cheap, leaving them thinking they can afford to modify a car properly. You could say the same about a lot of cars though (Mustangs, 240SX, 350Z, IS/GS300). It just comes with the territory and you should be well aware of that when purchasing. The general public's view on modified cars has been skewed anyways by media such as Fast and Furious so it's not like you're any different from those "ricers" to them. Don't like it? Buy a Ferrari. If not then who cares? I'm sure you have better things to do than dwell on trivial matters such as this such as driving your FR-S/BRZ! :word:

So because it's a cheap sports car, it is acceptable to think that everyone will be modding their cars? How many riced out Miatas do you see?

Can somebody explain in concrete details what is considered rice to the mass? So far, anything that's not OEM is considered rice in this thread...

To the OP. Who cares about what other people do to their cars? Their property, their money, so it's their lost ricing out a perfectly good car.

I've learn throughout the years that being a ricer doesn't pay off! Sure, having oversize rims with ultra-low stance, exhaust sound that blows ear-drums, painted calipers, big racing spoiler, body kits, eye-blinding HID's, racing strips or catchy vinyl may look cool to the untrained eyes. For me it's all useless show and no-go.

It puts a smile on my face every time, knowing a long lasting and potentially valuable 86 is the bone stock or minimally modded one.

Exacly :bow:

A lot. Your point?