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It is a shame because I have most of my forum experience on a a forum where the masses extremely outweighed the vendors and the vendors were all about the community. Of course vendors paid money, but members could do the same and the forum never had disparity between the power of any user type (be it vendor, mod, paying member, lifetime member, unpaid member). Information there was shared freely and the vendors used their resources to further the community. They even had giveaways that were run and existed solely within the forum for the benefit of the members. I have a few stickied threads on there, and even though I haven't posted in months or years, I still get PMs from people asking questions or for advice and I answer ever time. That is the vibe that I don't feel coming from this place and it is my hope that people like you continue to push this forum in that direction.:respekt: I wish I could offer more dedication here, if I could, I would be posting screencasts too, doing technical writeups, and performing research. It is what I enjoy doing. Sadly, I dedicate about 55-65 hours per week to my job while still being a full time student :bonk:

Now, lets stop the :offtopic: and change this to :ontopic: (to the mods, we need a new smilie that has a sign with with highlighted in red for off topic and a green highlight below for on topic).

^ agreed @Luckrider, I too have a bunch of threads stickied in other forums and get PM's all the time from people asking if I could help out, and I always do. Even on here, if someone sends me a message I always answer, but the vibe around this place is way different. I hate all the hush hush that goes on, the deleting of information, etc, and in turn it screws over all the members on this forum that don't know any better and are just looking for some information that isn't skewed in some way.

Then again, this is a targeted forum for 86 owners, so its hard to base it off other forums that tend to be a little larger. Things will come around, but you just need to know better and siphon through all the bs lol.

I am not some super tuner or genius, I love working on my car and i'm not afraid to dive into anything. If its something that can help the community I always try my best to post it somewhere and where its relevant, because I know that when I first started learning about cars I came online to forums and looked for people just like that and have experienced a thing or two which in turn saved me TONS of time trying to figure it out myself.

damn double post, lol. Forum froze up on me before.

For sure, if you're going over 200bhp youre going go need a wider tire. I dont know who the hell decided on such a narrow wheel, 7 frigen inches... Its like they want you to lose grip and drive like a “Yarbough like Jeremy Clarkson". One of the first things you do when you update to F/I is to get wider wheels.

I prefer a super charger since it looks much cleaner, the install though I know there are folks out there can do a father clean Turbo install.

No no no no, the whole idea is replacing the Carbon Ceramic brake disk in the rear. And it generally cost as much as the option for all four wheel from the factory. That is why a lot of GT3 owners who outfit their allotment from Porsche just get Steal brakes and no Sport Chrono - Or what is known as the Dash Wart.

I know that alot of them swap the CCBs out, but the traction control system on a Porsche loves using the rear brakes hard to keep the car from rotating so owners can kill a set of rear brake pads in a weekend even with little wear to the fronts. I ordered my Cayman R without Sport Chrono specifically because I didn't want the dash wart.

When I first moved towards 240whp I thought... wow, this is MUCH faster than before.

After a year of driving, I'm used to it now and although I believe it is the best amount of power for me, it would be nice to have a little more. (Of course, I'm assuming that I would be saying the same thing no matter which power level I was at).

I'm still on the stock tires so it's enough power to scare me... and definitely enough to get me in trouble. 300 would be nice but I'd probably be worried of blowing things up.

Like you said, no matter the power level, you always get used to it at some point.

I had a lot of power in my old sti, and when I would drive my brothers protuned 08 sti, it would feel like a dog. I would be like wow this thing is slow!

Got rid of it, bought the brz, and now when I drive his car, i'm like holy crap :lol:

At least in the beginning before I started modding it :)

250whp in the FRS with a good wheel/tire/suspension/brake setup would make for a VERY fast car around a track which is what I'm going for. It's not so much peak power that's important as is area under the curve, usuable power a the RPM's you will need it.

BUT for most people that just drive their cars on the street who like to just do pulls from light to light or hwy pulls(which I don't condone) than 250whp will most likely leave you dissatisfied.

Just depends on what your goals are...

250whp doesn't make for a very fast 86. i expected a lot more when my car was around that level. it starts to get fun as you push the boost up off of the wastegate and start making ~300whp. on e85 @ ~350whp it's a blast.

i was actually quite surprised that this car didn't respond the way my miatas always did. a basic FM2 miata (~220 dynojet whp) feels faster than my 86 does with 260 (mustang dyno) whp at around 8-8.5psi.

"Feels" slower or "is" slower?

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I was fine around 250whp til I had an overboosting issue and experienced something closer to 350whp... Just shy of 300whp is a nice spot to be, but more important is peak torque and where you get it. I only make ~290whp but I make ~250ftlb of torque.

Horsepower seems to only be an important metric on the dyno. When you want to know how it will feel to drive the car you need to be looking at torque. I would say 250ftlb of torque is a good spot to reach.

is slower.

...probably because the miata is 500+lbs lighter? :iono:
different dyno, different car, potentially different drivetrain loss.

Isn't the Miata like 600 pounds less than our car? If so, i'm not really that surprised, and you shouldn't be either lol.

@kbye just beat me to it, haha

more like 250lbs... but yeah. the na's were around 500lbs lighter. the point is a lot of people think 'it's light... it doesn't need much power' when in reality these cars aren't all that light, and don't respond the way other 'lightweight' cars do.

Ok 250 isn't that much of a difference, but I agree. They aren't terribly light. I mean my 05 sti was ~3300 pounds...thats a 500 poundish difference and it was a sedan/awd econobox :) lol. Guess you aren't going to get much lighter nowadays.

damn feds and their regulations. i mean seriously, who needs airbags? learn to drive and you won't crash! ;)

And super strong support beams (although that does make the chassis stiffer).

In all seriousness, there are lazy people nanny systems in many new cars that make people lazy and complacent. This may make things safer in the short run, but in the long run, it makes people more dangerous drivers.

shortsighted regulation causing unintended consequences in the long-term? no way... it can't be :bonk:

I guess it depends on what gen miata, the early Miata was around 2000 lbs, so with 225whp is better power/weight ratio than our cars with 250 whp, if you talking about the latest Miata, then I'm surprise since they are only around 200 lbs lighter.

i've had na's and nb's. the na's were all turbo.. one nb had an ls1 and the other was the stock turbocharged mazdaspeed one. all but the last one were faster lol.

Exactly, you need to "run up". You're not Phil Hill who can go 11/10 right out of the paddock. It's better to take your time to warm up the bits on a properly outfitted and looked after car.

A really big issue with people who drive in weekend driving events at tracks is to remove your "COOLANT" and for some events it is a requirement. Just plain water, distilled if possible, and some "WATER WETTER".

You don't want to pop your radiator hose on a weekend track day because it makes the track more slippy than oil. As a matter of fact it is a requirement to switch over from the coolant to water to avoid such a conundrum.

2014 Mazda Miata:
Not to mention, all but the base model MX-5 Miata cost more than the FT86.

that's an nc... not what we're talking about here. grab the same numbers on an na :).

the point is that the ft86 just doesn't respond the same. it's not just weight. the dimensions and gearing are probably just as important if not more so. at the end of the day, the ft86 just doesn't respond to power like i expected it to. people thinking that it will be fast with 250whp are in for some disappointment if they're expecting it to respond like a miata or mr2. it takes significantly more power to make an 86 do the same things.

....or rip out the interior. That's an option too :thumbsup:

On a side note...wonder what a project MR2 with a FA20 heart transplant would feel like around the track...

What are you smoking. Those numbers are from Mazda for 2014 Miata's, all which have the "MZR 2.0L DOHC 16-valve 4-cylinder engine with VVT" (167-hp 140 lb-ft ) na engine. Not only is the current Miata not light anymore, but it's engine is pretty pathetic.

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/disp...ehicleCode=MX5

I think he's talking about the body style there chief...

Take a look at the generations:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_MX-5

guy makes himself look like an idiot in the process of trying to call someone else an idiot... oh the internet lol.

I will agree to this though. The miata needs to take a diet for how small it is. Seems like the Elise/exige are the only cars I know of that haven't gotten fat over the years.

If you're going to compare 20 yr old cars to the FT86, why limit yourself. You should be comparing go-carts and F1 cars too. How about sticking to the topic of 240-300 whp applications on the FT86, instead of your obsession of NA Miata's.

ok. i guess we shouldn't talk about other cars, certainly not the best selling sports car in human history that most people here probably have some level of experience with, when trying to give people an idea of what 250whp in an 86 feels like. comparisons to things many people are already familiar with are useless in this context.

you're right, i'm wrong, you win. glad you got the chance to look uninformed.

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I think it would sound and feel worse than a 2GRFE.

Well that doesn't make much sense either. But look at it this way, by obsessing about the NA Miata he's basically agreeing the NC is pretty shit compared to the NA or 86. So I think everyone can be happy. :D

Why is it, that every thread I read with @jamesm in it, he's always getting flamed for something lol

i don't think i get it that bad. i'm just on here a lot so there's plenty of opportunity lol.

and yes i'm obsessed with na miatas. they're the greatest that ever was, and always will be. if you don't believe me, slap a turbo on one and drive it. if you still don't, throw an ls1 in it and repeat.

Totally OT but I saw an LSx swap into a miata...the guy said he had to build the car around the engine...Jesus.

In general: it's still possible to make the 86 lighter. It is possible to replace the seats, pull out the backseats (who needs those in a sports car anyway?) take out the radio (I prefer to listen to the engine sounds, music to my ears ;) ) if you live in a normal climate you can rip out the AC...lighter weight wheels...etc. there are weight saving threads that have pulled out 200 lbs while retaining most of the functions of a DD.