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Guff 04-23-2012 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Exhaust (Post 189915)
AAAAND WERE OFF!!!
Let me interject with a serious comment about this. I feel as if the FRS vs the IS--- what--oh no---

WHATS HAPPPENIn---

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This is all I have to say.

Toyota fr-s 04-23-2012 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by CoryUyede (Post 189740)
More just for fun, but in the past 3 weeks, I've had Lengthy test drives with the Mustang V6/V8, Genesis 2.0t/3.8, Civic Si, MX-5 , '13 328/128.

For ANYONE thinking of the genesis coupe...and end up getting it, do yourself a favor and NEVER drive an FR-S after..you will regret your decision very quickly. I've had some pretty sporty and/or refined cars...the Genesis Coupe came off as Neither of these...very disappointing.

The V8 mustang had a fun factor to it..the Brand new BMW's have lost a little in "Driving Feel"...the MX-5 Was just a blast...but too damn small for a daily car. Civic was a little disappointing too.
What did you think of the new mustang V8? I take it, it was the 5.0. The cars that I've been considering aside from the fr-s are only the 370z and mustang GT 5.0. But I won't make a decision until until I have driven the fr-s which would give me a fair assessment of the cars.

CoryUyede 04-23-2012 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Toyota fr-s (Post 189925)
What did you think of the new mustang V8? I take it, it was the 5.0. The cars that I've been considering aside from the fr-s are only the 370z and mustang GT 5.0. But I won't make a decision until until I have driven the fr-s which would give me a fair assessment of the cars.
The Mustang V8 was a BLAST...Amazing engine..the handling was surprisingly good. V8 Mustangs have alot of character...I'm VERY picky about cars...but i can at least appreciate cars with character. The genesis coupe has none..If i could think of a sporty rental car that leaves no impression..it's a Hyundai GC.

The V6 Mustang is a great "value". The engine output is strong enough that you don't feel like you've compromised much...but i feel like a V6 in a mustang is some sort of crime.

The 370z was pretty nice too. Much more composed then my old 350z. More refined, yet more capable. I've already owned a Z though, not sure i want another one right now..plus i dont feel like spending that much at this point in my life.

Toyota fr-s 04-23-2012 09:46 PM
Yes, I'm not much of a mustang guy but this one is definitely a well designed car. The engine has a lot of potential plus cheap parts compared to the imports. I wouldn't even consider the V6 since it is way too heavy to compete for my taste.

As for the 370z, well it looks much better than the stang and also has plenty of potential. I had a 350z and know what the Z car feels like and what it can do, so I agree with you on that one.

At the same time, I don't think any one of the two can match the driving experience of the fr-s. light weight, rear wheel drive, low CoG, etc... But it doesn't have the power the other two have.... This is an easy fix though with the amount of aftermarket support that it will have. Something tells me the fr-s can be the perfect car with around 250whp...

vaporiz 04-23-2012 10:16 PM
Saw a really cheap 350z with good mileage and pretty clean.

Had to do it.

CoryUyede 04-23-2012 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by vaporiz (Post 189994)
Saw a really cheap 350z with good mileage and pretty clean.

Had to do it.
I dont blame you there..everyone should own at least 1 Z..:D

Congrats btw!

prophecy0 04-23-2012 11:58 PM
I stopped by the VW dealership today to test drive the GTI. I've wanted a GTI for years (until I found out about the BRZ), so I figured I might as well test one out just to be sure.

Unfortunately, I LOVED the GTI. The fit and finish was top notch (amazing interior), and it didn't feel at all lacking for power. I'm trying to get the VW dealership to come down on the price of a fully-equipped 4DR with a DSG transmission. If the dealer can get within 1k or so of the Limited BRZ automatic, I may very well go with the GTI. Yeah, it's FWD and a hatch, but my wife and I may be having kids in the next few years so it's the "smart" choice.

I just wish there was a BRZ close by for me to test drive. Maybe it would dissuade me from the GTI.

ichitaka05 04-24-2012 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by prophecy0 (Post 190062)
I stopped by the VW dealership today to test drive the GTI. I've wanted a GTI for years (until I found out about the BRZ), so I figured I might as well test one out just to be sure.

Unfortunately, I LOVED the GTI. The fit and finish was top notch (amazing interior), and it didn't feel at all lacking for power. I'm trying to get the VW dealership to come down on the price of a fully-equipped 4DR with a DSG transmission. If the dealer can get within 1k or so of the Limited BRZ automatic, I may very well go with the GTI. Yeah, it's FWD and a hatch, but my wife and I may be having kids in the next few years so it's the "smart" choice.

I just wish there was a BRZ close by for me to test drive. Maybe it would dissuade me from the GTI.
Which year GTI?

prophecy0 04-24-2012 12:45 AM
It was a 2012.

ichitaka05 04-24-2012 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by prophecy0 (Post 190093)
It was a 2012.
Never driven '12 GTI... I'll test drive em down the future

devinclfalcons 04-24-2012 01:33 AM
I'm gonna hold off and get a used E92 M3

Exhaust 04-24-2012 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by devinclfalcons (Post 190113)
I'm gonna hold off and get a used E92 M3
Never driven a beamer before, let me know how that goes!

devinclfalcons 04-24-2012 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Exhaust (Post 190117)
Never driven a beamer before, let me know how that goes!
You can grab an 08' M3 for well under 40k now... game on!! :party0030:

Dark 04-24-2012 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Exhaust (Post 190117)
Never driven a beamer before, let me know how that goes!
I've never driven M3 before, but all other 3 series since E36. They are quite "classic" performers.

Bristecom 04-24-2012 02:20 AM
I was driven in an E46 M3 with coilovers and it blew my mind. Instant response and huge, consistant power! M3's are excellent cars by all means.

devinclfalcons 04-24-2012 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Bristecom (Post 190135)
I was driven in an E46 M3 with coilovers and it blew my mind. Instant response and huge, consistant power! M3's are excellent cars by all means.
E46 is the classic M3 :thumbsup:

Godzpeed 04-24-2012 05:13 AM
If u've never driven a M3 before and drive one now. I'm pretty sure the 86 or BRZ will not impress you one bit.

Mitch 04-24-2012 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by devinclfalcons (Post 190136)
E46 is the classic M3 :thumbsup:
If you like the e46 M3, you should give the e36. Less power, but makes up for it in crisp handling and steering feedback.

SCIONMONTREAL 04-24-2012 09:44 AM
the bottom line with the M3 is that although it is an excellent car, you'd better know a bit of car maintenance because if something goes wrong Gunther the german mechanic will gladly take your money.

I have a friend here who is excellent with stuff like that, bought an e36 M3 and swapped everything into a 318ti. the 318 is light and the m3 engine as well as reinforced bits the car required turned it into a dream.

BUT you'd better know CARS

BMWDavid 04-24-2012 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by prophecy0 (Post 190062)
I stopped by the VW dealership today to test drive the GTI. I've wanted a GTI for years (until I found out about the BRZ), so I figured I might as well test one out just to be sure.

Unfortunately, I LOVED the GTI. The fit and finish was top notch (amazing interior), and it didn't feel at all lacking for power. I'm trying to get the VW dealership to come down on the price of a fully-equipped 4DR with a DSG transmission. If the dealer can get within 1k or so of the Limited BRZ automatic, I may very well go with the GTI. Yeah, it's FWD and a hatch, but my wife and I may be having kids in the next few years so it's the "smart" choice.

I just wish there was a BRZ close by for me to test drive. Maybe it would dissuade me from the GTI.
I have had my '06 MKV GTI/DSG since new. Approaching 90,000 miles with only a bad rear wheel bearing. Otherwise the most reliable and trouble free car I've had. The torque from that 2.0 Turbo is still amazing. I love the smooth quick shifts from the DSG trans and the braaap from the exhaust on upshifts is really neat.

Going to keep my GTI and when the BRZ gets here it will have a pretty high bar to meet in terms of build quality. I'm hoping the BRZ is a kick in the pants to drive and from all indications should be.

I'm looking for my BRZ to be a modern take of my '89 Porsche 911.

prophecy0 04-24-2012 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by BMWDavid (Post 190263)
I have had my '06 MKV GTI/DSG since new. Approaching 90,000 miles with only a bad rear wheel bearing. Otherwise the most reliable and trouble free car I've had. The torque from that 2.0 Turbo is still amazing. I love the smooth quick shifts from the DSG trans and the braaap from the exhaust on upshifts is really neat.

Going to keep my GTI and when the BRZ gets here it will have a pretty high bar to meet in terms of build quality. I'm hoping the BRZ is a kick in the pants to drive and from all indications should be.

I'm looking for my BRZ to be a modern take of my '89 Porsche 911.
That's all good to hear. Whether true or not, VW cars still have the stigma of being unreliable.

Turbowned 04-24-2012 12:09 PM
Hmm, it's my day off. I think I should go drive a C5 Corvette Z06, Mustang V6, Gen Coupe 2.0T, Cadillac CTS-V and Honda S2000 just to make sure I've tested everything else I could possibly want for <$30k. :thumbup:

CoryUyede 04-24-2012 12:20 PM
Lol...have fun!

ichitaka05 04-24-2012 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbowned (Post 190354)
Hmm, it's my day off. I think I should go drive a C5 Corvette Z06, Mustang V6, Gen Coupe 2.0T, Cadillac CTS-V and Honda S2000 just to make sure I've tested everything else I could possibly want for <$30k. :thumbup:
Good idea. I did. I've drove, S2k, 350Z, Miata, GC, Mustang, Camaro, G35, WRX, & Cvic

andcas7 04-25-2012 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf (Post 189887)
Sweet, so you bought the only car slower than the FRS/BRZ for 40g's :thumbup:
Because everyone buying the FRS/BRZ is buying it for it's "Speed"... Last I checked most people love the fact the car is a great "performance" car for it's low price. So basically, you get what you pay for, fun to drive, without the bells and whistles.

I was in the market for the FR-S because it would be my daily driver, not for "racing", if that's why you are buying this car then I would go for something "fast", unless you've got the extra G's to make it fast. I personally love driving the IS with the F-sport suspension, big difference from the non F-sport suspension. It also has an amazing sound system.

Later down the road I would consider the FR-S again, to actually make it a track car, and keep the IS as my DD.

As someone said, I'm not here to compare the cars, basically say why I gave in for another car, the "fun" of driving the FR-S would just not be enough to make up for the other things I enjoy when I have a 1 to 2 hour drive going to work and back home, 3-4 hours driving each day. I also do drive with friends in the back, I hate to have them too cramped up so the FR-S would've done just that.

f0rge 04-25-2012 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Godzpeed (Post 190186)
If u've never driven a M3 before and drive one now. I'm pretty sure the 86 or BRZ will not impress you one bit.
This is my concern, i have a 2004 M3 with some suspension work and it's getting a bit old so i'm thinking it may be time for something new, but i'm concerned after driving my car to the dealership i'm going to be seriously underwhelmed by the FR-S, not because it's a bad car, but it's like bringing a knife to a gun fight.

While i've been waiting i've been looking at FD RX7's, same weight (2800lbs) but with much more power stock and even more with simple bolt ons. But that car is even older than my M3...

Anyway i guess i'll just have to wait and see how the test drive goes.

Lonewolf 04-25-2012 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by andcas7 (Post 191201)
Because everyone buying the FRS/BRZ is buying it for it's "Speed"... Last I checked most people love the fact the car is a great "performance" car for it's low price. So basically, you get what you pay for, fun to drive, without the bells and whistles.

I was in the market for the FR-S because it would be my daily driver, not for "racing", if that's why you are buying this car then I would go for something "fast", unless you've got the extra G's to make it fast. I personally love driving the IS with the F-sport suspension, big difference from the non F-sport suspension. It also has an amazing sound system.

Later down the road I would consider the FR-S again, to actually make it a track car, and keep the IS as my DD.

As someone said, I'm not here to compare the cars, basically say why I gave in for another car, the "fun" of driving the FR-S would just not be enough to make up for the other things I enjoy when I have a 1 to 2 hour drive going to work and back home, 3-4 hours driving each day. I also do drive with friends in the back, I hate to have them too cramped up so the FR-S would've done just that.
...I guess sarcasm detectors don't come standard on ultra noobs these days, do they?

oneday 04-25-2012 04:30 PM
I have been a fan of the FR-S since it was first announced back in (08?), but I did just buy a 99 M3. As I said in my thread it really came down to the fact that if I buy the FR-S I will not only be spending two years worth of my motorsports budget on the car, but I will be too worried about wadding the car up on track--and when you worry or are scared, you make mistakes...I still haven't cancelled my FR-S order or gotten my deposit back yet...so there is still small chance of getting that too (if I sell my tC before the FR-S comes in).

I originally wanted to pick up a late-80s E30 (like a 325is) but for not much more money I got a better chassis, suspension, and motor in a sleeker package.

I am picking the car up in Atlanta on Friday, going to The Mitty on Saturday, then driving back to PA to start prepping it for track duty.

qbsacker93 05-01-2012 06:21 AM
Hey new here. I have been waiting patiently for the Scion FRS, however, a fantastic deal just fell into my lap. A 2012 Ford Mustang GT, brand new(25 miles), black, for 25,400! I really am not sure that I can pass up such a crazy good deal. My insurance quote was only 680 every 6 months. Any advice would be appreciated!

alan.chalkley 05-01-2012 07:38 AM
Yes!
I bought a 99 VVTLi 6spd manual celica. Metallic blue with black and blue trim in immaculate condition.It is a lot of fun to drive and I could buy 5 of these for the price of 1 ft86/BRZ.
I wonder what an ft86/BRZ will be worth in 14yrs.
Wether it be a dud or a classic , it will still be "fun to drive".

Guff 05-01-2012 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by qbsacker93 (Post 196724)
Hey new here. I have been waiting patiently for the Scion FRS, however, a fantastic deal just fell into my lap. A 2012 Ford Mustang GT, brand new(25 miles), black, for 25,400! I really am not sure that I can pass up such a crazy good deal. My insurance quote was only 680 every 6 months. Any advice would be appreciated!
It may be a good deal, but that doesn't change the fact that most people will enjoy the FRS more. Money is important though, so it's your call. Just know what you're passing up though, the Zx6 isn't an ordinary sports car...

SUB-FT86 05-01-2012 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 189751)
For everyone that looking at GC. I can tell you this. If you want raw power, go for GC, cuz GC have hp that you might like (over 300hp). Other than that, GC isn't worth the money. I've driven both FR-S & GC (V6), I'll take FR-S any days of the week.
The GC isn't only about power. I love how everybody calls it a muscle car/pony car yet when I drove a 3.8 Track it felt like the 06 G35S coupe I drove which also left a big smile on my face during the test drive. Now I don't know about the 2013 models.

ichitaka05 05-01-2012 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86 (Post 196818)
The GC isn't only about power. I love how everybody calls it a muscle car/pony car yet when I drove a 3.8 Track it felt like the 06 G35S coupe I drove which also left a big smile on my face during the test drive. Now I don't know about the 2013 models.
Did I say it's horrible car? Or a muscle car? I just stated, if you like more power, go for GC.

chate 05-01-2012 10:13 AM
Fun can't be quantified. I've been telling everyone i'm not getting the FRS and going back to vettes instead...its because i'm forgetting how much fun the damn car was to drive at the first 86 event.

"It's not fast, but you're in control. I like this car because it feels like I'm driving the car rather than just along for the ride trying to not make any mistakes. Don't change your mind."

Those are my words to myself every day...fast cars are fun, but the FRS is a different kind of fun, I can't say better, just different. I think anyone in the market right now willing to wait a few months (in case of short supply) should test drive one before deciding on a mustang etc. you wont impress your friends with numbers and 1/4 mile times, but you'll really be grinning on your morning commute.

So, i guess to keep it on topic, I decided on a C6, went and drove a couple, had fun, but ultimately decided I'd chose control over power right now...I want the FRS as a DD and as a tool to become a better driver.

SUB-FT86 05-01-2012 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by bneale (Post 189807)
I'll concede your point about the HID's. But for every other point, this car is not for you. It's a "drivers car" and as such, most of the amenitites have been removed in favour of a lower price and better performance. The whole sunroof thing tells me so.

If you knew anything about why Toyota/Subaru decided against not having a sunroof, then you would understand why its not an option on this car. For those that don't know, glass is heavy! What do you think happens to the center of gravity when you start hanging 200lbs above the drivers head?

Again, this is a pure drivers car and is going to have a better center of gravity then both a Nissan GT-R and a Ferrari 458 Italia!!

Comparing anything to the FRS/BRZ is like comparing apples and oranges!! There just is nothing on the market (used cars don't really count either) right now which is comparable to the FR-S. Nothing offers the same driving experience for anywhere close to the same money.

bneale
A sunroof isn't nowhere close to 200 lbs. It actually adds about 20 lbs because you have to subtract the weight of the piece of steel that resides in that area then add like 35lbs and plus the glass is not as heavy as you think.

SUB-FT86 05-01-2012 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 196821)
Did I say it's horrible car? Or a muscle car? I just stated, if you like more power, go for GC.
Power was the only thing that you stated though Ichi. That's a telltale sign of being a Muscle car. Just saying.:)

Mitch 05-01-2012 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by qbsacker93 (Post 196724)
Hey new here. I have been waiting patiently for the Scion FRS, however, a fantastic deal just fell into my lap. A 2012 Ford Mustang GT, brand new(25 miles), black, for 25,400! I really am not sure that I can pass up such a crazy good deal. My insurance quote was only 680 every 6 months. Any advice would be appreciated!
I've driven a 2013 GT, and I have to say, that's a very fun car. I'm going to wait until I get a chance to drive an FRS/BRZ before I pull the trigger on a car, but the Mustangs have got my attention.

ichitaka05 05-01-2012 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86 (Post 196825)
A sunroof isn't nowhere close to 200 lbs. It actually adds about 20 lbs because you have to subtract the weight of the piece of steel that resides in that area then add like 35lbs and plus the glass is not as heavy as you think.
It's not 20lbs either. They have to stiffing up the roof, plus adds motor, hooks, etc. it come to be around 45~75lbs (if you subtract the weight from sunroof area steel)

ichitaka05 05-01-2012 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86 (Post 196827)
Power was the only thing that you stated though Ichi. That's a telltale sign of being a Muscle car. Just saying.:)
You just assumed that. If that was the case, I would of used Mustang instead of GC. In your statement, Camry must be Muscle car too.

SUB-FT86 05-01-2012 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 196831)
It's not 20lbs either. They have to stiffing up the roof, plus adds motor, hooks, etc. it come to be around 45~75lbs (if you subtract the weight from sunroof area steel)
Yeah but 200 lbs was crazy. The reason I said about 20 lbs is because I remember the GC 3.8 base weighing 3,389 lbs and the 3.8 Track model which adds a Sport/Premium/Nav pkg being only 3,472 lbs which is 83 lbs heavier. And it comes with multiple stuff including the sunroof which at the most makes up about half that since the 19'' wheels weigh about 20 lbs more and tires weigh about 10 lbs more overall and it has a 4 piston BBK.

The sunroof on a FR-S would be small as hell and not heavy enough to destroy the CoG. The roof isn't design for a Panoramic heavy ass roof.lol


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