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jamesm 10-12-2013 11:58 AM

someone posted an update on the other forum saying they're finishing testing and aiming for the beta to be released sunday. i'm on the beta list so i expect to get an email, i'll post when it happens. i can't wait... almost broke down and bought brzedit this weekend lol.

Deadspool 10-12-2013 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesm (Post 1266238)
someone posted an update on the other forum saying they're finishing testing and aiming for the beta to be released sunday. i'm on the beta list so i expect to get an email, i'll post when it happens. i can't wait... almost broke down and bought brzedit this weekend lol.

How did you get onto the beta list? jelly.

jamesm 10-12-2013 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Deadspool (Post 1266259)
How did you get onto the beta list? jelly.

i don't think it means anything being that the beta is public, probably just an email notification list or something. i just emailed asking about brz support and the guy asked if i wanted to be added to the list.

stugray 10-12-2013 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesm (Post 1266361)
i just emailed asking about brz support and the guy asked if i wanted to be added to the list.

i just posted to the romraider thread about the same.
I have an old BRZ (man date feb 2012) that needs(wants) the ROM update and have a tactrix cable.
I am ready to help too.

Deadspool 10-12-2013 06:51 PM

Ive been trying to post, but I cant get by the mod approval.

DriftEightSix 10-13-2013 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by stugray (Post 1266397)
i just posted to the romraider thread about the same.
I have an old BRZ (man date feb 2012) that needs(wants) the ROM update and have a tactrix cable.
I am ready to help too.

I also have a May 2012 build 86 and would love a ROM update the dealer wont do it for me :'(.

Is there a guide for this already?

jamesm 10-13-2013 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DriftEightSix (Post 1267239)
I also have a May 2012 build 86 and would love a ROM update the dealer wont do it for me :'(.

Is there a guide for this already?

You don't need a guide it's crazy simple. If you need help applying it just pm me when the time comes.

Td-d 10-14-2013 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Deadspool (Post 1266716)
Ive been trying to post, but I cant get by the mod approval.

Don't stress - Dale will pick up the post. Unfortunately, a 1st post mod approval had to be implemented due to a massive pick up in spam some time back. Lesser of two evils.

A couple more days:
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Originally Posted by MikeyPSF
Apologies to those eagerly awaiting this release but it's going to be a couple more days. Colby is working on the release today (and yesterday) but some unrelated functionality he's trying to finish up is taking a little longer than expected. I'll definitely be checking in with him daily in an effort to get this out ASAP. Thanks for your patience!


xjohnx 10-14-2013 07:53 AM

interesting tuning note from the thread over on romraider

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For those of you tuning boosted setups, the AF Learning Max value is 60, so if you want to disable AF trims affect on boost OL values, then change the 5, 12, 20 values to something like 5, 18 and 60.1 and no more issue with OL learning trims :)

The other software guys appear to be using the AF#1 Learning Limits to limit learning to 3% and it is definitely 'capping' the tunes from their true potential.

jamesm 10-14-2013 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by xjohnx (Post 1268723)
interesting tuning note from the thread over on romraider

i thought a/f learning max was set to 40 on a stock rom? were they talking about a brz in that post?

xjohnx 10-14-2013 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jamesm (Post 1268879)
i thought a/f learning max was set to 40 on a stock rom? were they talking about a brz in that post?

Seems like they were, it was in the BRZ definition thread, anyway: http://www.romraider.com/forum/viewt...=9999&start=15

Td-d 10-14-2013 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jamesm (Post 1268879)
i thought a/f learning max was set to 40 on a stock rom? were they talking about a brz in that post?

A/F learning min / max is set to -40% / 40% - but the AF Learning ranges are what is being talked about:
Code:

ROM:00111138 flt_111138:    .float 1.6           
ROM:0011113C AF_Learning_1_Airflow_Ranges:.float 5.0
ROM:00111140 flt_111140:    .float 12.0
ROM:00111144                .float 20.0
ROM:00111148 flt_111148:    .float 60.0

The last range is carried across into open loop. Less of an issue with N/A, but with forced induction, going into open loop 4/5% lean equals 'boom'.

Sportsguy83 10-22-2013 09:29 AM

@Td-d Updates??

Td-d 10-22-2013 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Sportsguy83 (Post 1285372)
@Td-d Updates??

It's imminent - been chatting to Mike via email, I should be getting the raw disassembly that Colby's done to help along with filling out the definition files shortly (hopefully over and above what I've already dug out) and Colby has been plugging away at finalising the testing of the beta on all ecus (the BRZ functionality is already there, for a while, but due to extensive rewriting core aspects of Ecuflash, they are testing it on all ecus to ensure that nothing was broken with respect to backward compatibility). I think one of Diesel guys has already tested an early version of the beta on the diesel Subarus, and works perfectly.

I get where he's coming from - once the beta is out in the wild, it cannot be removed from the net - so they want to ensure it works on all models.

jamesm 10-22-2013 09:44 AM

i agree 100% with the methodology. testing is important and stuff :). i can't wait to play with it but i know how it is. it's hard to un-fubar something once it's out in the wild.

Sportsguy83 10-22-2013 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Td-d (Post 1285387)
It's imminent - been chatting to Mike via email, I should be getting the raw disassembly that Colby's done to help along with filling out the definition files shortly (hopefully over and above what I've already dug out) and Colby has been plugging away at finalising the testing of the beta on all ecus (the BRZ functionality is already there, for a while, but due to extensive rewriting core aspects of Ecuflash, they are testing it on all ecus to ensure that nothing was broken with respect to backward compatibility). I think one of Diesel guys has already tested an early version of the beta on the diesel Subarus, and works perfectly.

I get where he's coming from - once the beta is out in the wild, it cannot be removed from the net - so they want to ensure it works on all models.


Thanks for the quick reply! Thanks for the hard work! I know some tuners who are standing by waiting for this to happen to start taking cracks at tuning the 86's

Deadspool 10-23-2013 06:57 PM

Im going to be most interested to actually see what the hell is causing the torque dip first hand.

stugray 10-23-2013 08:10 PM

well we need logging to work before we even care about pulling/pushing a ROM.
I get the feeling that the data logging is what is holding things back.
OFT cant do it yet either.

jamesm 10-23-2013 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by stugray (Post 1289364)
well we need logging to work before we even care about pulling/pushing a ROM.
I get the feeling that the data logging is what is holding things back.
OFT cant do it yet either.

There are lots of tools to log with. You don't necessarily have to use romraider. I use logworks and techstream over op2. Direct parameter logging will be a nice plus, though.

Td-d 10-24-2013 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesm (Post 1289464)
There are lots of tools to log with. You don't necessarily have to use romraider. I use logworks and techstream over op2. Direct parameter logging will be a nice plus, though.

FYI - it will be coming in a future beta, he's just prioritising getting the first beta out now:
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Originally Posted by MikeyPSF
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Originally Posted by td-d
Here's a question - Ecuflash will allow the flashing of the roms, but what about logging?

Mike - is Colby incorporating the same CAN logging patch into the new version that would allow direct parameter logging (I have heard that currently Romraider Logger cannot log the BRZ's).


Right now logging doesn't work. Colby wants to add a faster logging option for the BRZ but that won't be in the initial beta. He may try to squeeze in logging as it functions now so that there is something but my goal is to get something up here before too much longer.


Deadspool 10-25-2013 07:06 AM

Looks like the folks working Evoscan havnt gotten around SSMIII, compatability stops at II.

They do have a CAN universal selection, I'll give it a try when I get home. though im sure a hundered other people have tried, Ive not seen any reference to it though.

Td-d 10-26-2013 05:53 AM

Right!

Calling all South Africans on here - I have a copy of the first beta in my grubby paws, and would like to test drive. We have been specifically requested not to distribute this version yet, but rather do some testing to make sure it's all kosher (if you want a copy, contact Mike directly, and he may provide you with a copy).

Bring it on!

Deadspool 10-26-2013 08:26 AM

too

exciting


o-o

Td-d 10-26-2013 08:52 AM

I'm sure Jamesm will chime in - he also has a copy.

endrswrd 10-26-2013 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Td-d (Post 1294716)
I'm sure Jamesm will chime in - he also has a copy.

If I could get a copy of the beta I could test on two brzs, my own and another local =P

I could even use it on older subarus for Unit testing / regression testing.

Cmon td-d convince the powers that be to get me a copy!

Td-d 10-26-2013 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by endrswrd (Post 1294805)
If I could get a copy of the beta I could test on two brzs, my own and another local =P

I could even use it on older subarus for Unit testing / regression testing.

Cmon td-d convince the powers that be to get me a copy!

PM Mike on RR forums - I'm sure he will send you a copy. They just want to keep track on the distribution of the beta at this stage.


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Deadspool 10-26-2013 12:38 PM

Just sent a PM to Mike.

jamesm 10-26-2013 12:47 PM

I haven't been able to open the beta. Tried two different computers, fresh install of windows, all I get is appcrash error :(.

Td-d 10-26-2013 01:38 PM

I has that problem on my desktop, but loaded fine on my rom flashing netbook.


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jamesm 10-26-2013 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Td-d (Post 1295022)
I has that problem on my desktop, but loaded fine on my rom flashing netbook.


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luckily i'm a nerd with plenty of disposable old windows machines to test on. working on an old toshiba laptop now to see if i can get it running. surely one of these will work... :)

edit: i got it working... turns out it was the fresh install of windows that was breaking it. installed on an older vm with existing old ecuflash and it works. Still can't get the rom to pull, working on that one.

Deadspool 10-26-2013 08:32 PM

Im getting the appcrash error on win7 64 and win8 86.

Ive tried all manner of install and run compatibility, ive also tried installing to the same existing directory and to a separate. No dice yet.

FrX 10-26-2013 09:30 PM

Unfortunately, none of my machines seem to work at the moment. Getting memory access violation errors. I will have to attach to a debugger later to see if I can't hop over the exception.

jamesm 10-26-2013 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Deadspool (Post 1295522)
Im getting the appcrash error on win7 64 and win8 86.

Ive tried all manner of install and run compatibility, ive also tried installing to the same existing directory and to a separate. No dice yet.

Pm me I'll send you a file to fix it.

Td-d 10-27-2013 02:14 AM

I could use that file as well - PM'd you, thx.


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FrX 10-27-2013 03:46 AM

@jamesm, I saw your posts on the other forum? Were you able to pull a rom successfully yet?

Deadspool 10-27-2013 09:54 AM

https://www.dropbox.com/s/o3pq9qscfaa9kdd/BRZ.png

Pulled my rom.

That is a much busier brain than my talon has. But i can definitely see the table relation, the x16 tables appear related to VE and map scaling, warm up enrichment's, etc.

I had no difficulties, save the .DLL issue James promptly assisted with. Running on my desktop, Win7 x64 and I pulled the rom with my Win8 x86 tablet.

After I was done, My door lock module did not wake up until after I started the car. I suspect once ecuflash shuts down the non required communications, they are not initialized until flash up again.

jamesm 10-27-2013 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by FrX (Post 1296028)
@jamesm, I saw your posts on the other forum? Were you able to pull a rom successfully yet?

Not yet. It appears as though brzedit has 'locked' (changed the seed-key algorithm I presume) my ecu. I thought brzedit doesn't do this, but if you look at their forum announcement the first listed feature is 'read protection option' or something like that.

Going to flash a stock rom on with brzedit Monday and try again.

Deadspool 10-27-2013 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesm (Post 1296323)
Not yet. It appears as though brzedit has 'locked' (changed the seed-key algorithm I presume) my ecu. I thought brzedit doesn't do this, but if you look at their forum announcement the first listed feature is 'read protection option' or something like that.

Going to flash a stock rom on with brzedit Monday and try again.

That's annoying.

Td-d 10-27-2013 01:04 PM

Start uploading those roms (other than ZA1JA00C) on the RR forums, and I will get going with defining them.

Deadspool 10-27-2013 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Td-d (Post 1296344)
Start uploading those roms (other than ZA1JA00C) on the RR forums, and I will get going with defining them.

Roger that.


Edit: just realized that my rom. Bugger.


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