Honestly I hope not. I think the car is a really good fit in CS.

3rd event in the BRZ today, I think I won CS but there were no times posted anywhere and I'm not really even sure who was in the class. I added a Perrin catback and Whiteline 22mm front sway bar yesterday. Everyone says that's too much bar but I like it a lot.

More here, with videos: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=11

I down shift sometimes, it depends on how much power I am losing.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKZzKXCA0AU"]2013 Scion FR-S SCCA SJR SOLO - YouTube[/ame]

I did at yesterday's event:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUy3oOz4Is4"]Iowa Region SCCA Autox - June 23 - Run 4 - YouTube[/ame]

Dude, that event looks like a lot of fun. I wish they used the whole runway over here because it's huge and so many possibilities to create an awesome course.
http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townn...cdd3.image.jpg

It was a lot of fun. They do an event there every year (sometimes twice) and apparently it's always the same layout. That site looks kind of cramped, how wide is the runway?

My favorite events were when I was in Alabama at Talladega Gran Prix.

http://img.hawkeye411.com/main.php?g...&g2_itemId=147

It's not as cramped as you think it would be. if you look to the top right, there's more pavement over there. This used to be an airport and the runways have to be big enough for planes. The main runway is wider than a single lane road, probably as wide as double lane road.

From section 13.6:

A. The make and material of brake linings may be changed.
B. Substitution of clutch and brake hydraulic lines with solid metal or braided metal is allowed on all cars manufactured before model year 1992.

I always read right over "linings" and thought it said "lines." Are SS brake lines allowed or not?

I believe SS brake lines are illegal for stock class cars newer than model year 1992.

And "brake linings" are.. uh... pads?

I think so?

A. Brake linings refers to brake pads, as they would be called in a drum brake system.


B. SS brake lines are allowed in stock only if car is before 1992.

I downshifted into first a few times, helped in one spot but took too long in the other i tried.

The STI and VETTE guys were down in the mid 30's though so it was a small course.

Hello fellow CS drivers! I just wanted to let you know I have some used BFG R1-S tires for sale in the Wheel/Tire Sale forum:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...029#post972029

I know most of the talk around here is about the proposed "Street" rules for 2014, but I figured there might be a few of you playing in CS that could use a solid set of r-comps to finish out your 2013 season. Let me know if you're interested!

Somebody's got to go beat up those Miatas. They're gettin' smug with that PAX.

Well, this thread has been pretty dead for a while. Getting ready for my first event of the season Sunday. It's supposed to be 50 degrees and raining. I think I'll probably run on my stock tires. Partially an excuse to not drag the trailer and change tires. I'll burn through the Z214s this year and then probably switch to C Street next year.

Can we get a mod to update the title of the thread to "C Street-R" ?

There is another thread already with a lot more info.

I'm pretty sure this thread is intended for those wishing to remain on race tires.

Is there a significant setup change between street/race tires?

Derpa derpa. Its early on the west coast still.

So yea, Ive got a set of 225 R1-S Im saving until July when it gets into the high 90s here. Until then Ill run Z2

I had my first event of the season yesterday. It was 45 degrees and pouring and I was lazy so I stayed on the stock all seasons. Pretty miserable day but the driving was fun.

I doubt there are going to be many people sticking with race tires. Yesterday reminded me of how nice it was to just throw a cooler and helmet in the car and go. Dragging the trailer and changing tires gets old. Once I get through these tires I think I'll be headed to CS.

That is the point i have gotten to in autocross as well. I just want to show up and drive.

I kind of learned from the old guys.. they stay in stock class and make everything as easy as possible. I used to show up with tires thrown in the trunk, a crappy jack and a 4-way. Now I have a trailer, impact, torque wrench, gloves and a torque wrench and do it right. So it's about half as awful as it used to be. But it's really frustrating when I'm the only guy left in the parking lot at the end of the day changing tires.

On my setup at least, I'd say yes. I get a fairly neutral car if I'm on brand new street tires, but a fairly pushy car with fresh race tires. I'm still on OEM shocks, but if I went back to race tires I'd want aftermarket shocks to try and tune some of that push out.

Is anyone planning to go to Nationals this year and run CSR?

I did my first prosolo over the weekend and while i was on course working noticed that the 370z was also classed in C street. It won CS and was a couple thousandths off the winning time of B street. Are the twins or even a NC miata capable of competing with it. Considering you can fit a very large tire to help with all the power. I was curious.



meant to put this under c street discussion

In my opinion, with the right tires it would depend on the course.

On a tight more technical course the twins shine. On a more open course they just don't have the lateral acceleration.

fyi, i have one new Hoosier A6 tire for sale.

see ad here: Hoosier

They definitely behave differently. Still way early in my car development, though. (only the r-comps, camber and alignment at the moment - 20mm whiteline coming this week.)

I unhooked the rear bar for my first r-comp event, and that felt pretty good, did fairly well. It was a non-scca club so it's a little hard to gauge my performance. I could just barely rotate the rear under power in sweepers. And it was very stable in the slalom. Although the body roll was buick-like, and the rear of the car flopped like it was the World Cup. But putting power down was not an issue. Almost can't overwhelm the hoosiers.

Made no changes other than different venue and too cold for hoosiers, so I ran on the OEM tires and...yikes. I had a real hard time keeping the back end in the back, hard time putting the tiny amount of power down, and the low-speed understeer was infuriating. And I did poorly.

Separately, I then did the NJ Tour. I won my class (of one) but I got raw-timed on sunday by a CS RX-8. Saturday, I only avoided that by a tiny margin.

Saturday I did without the rear bar, and Sunday I did with it hooked back up. Car felt better sunday, but I performed worse relative to CS. Also, was running 36-37F and 33-34R with the bar unhooked, and was down at 33/32 with it back up, and I'm still not using all of the tire. More importantly, It was in the mid-60's that weekend, and I built up NO heat in the tires. Barely above ambient. Anyone run across that?

We'll see how much the front bar helps with getting the tires working. I suspect I'll need better shocks than OE, but that's going to be an off-season thing. Anyhow, season-long TnT continues....next stop, Ralph Wilson Stadium.

CS offset question: I have a line on some of the optional BBS wheels you could get for the WRX back in the day. Light, 17"x7". Offset is +53. You can be 6 mm from stock offset, which these would be. Thing is, 5mm more sunk is pretty much the opposite of what I'd want. So, can I run 10mm spacers and swap out my lugs for something longer and stay "stock"? Spacers are legal to correct offset... but what about lugs to allow proper thread engagement?

Second, can I run the TRD sway bar set and/or springs? I'm mostly wanting to get back into autox for fun but I'd like the very few mods I'm planning to align with stock class. Sounds like the TRD exhaust and air filter are kosher regardless.

Yes, extended studs are allowed in CS, and you'll need them for any spacer over 3mm.

You cannot use TRD stuff. Even first-party aftermarket parts are not allowed. You could use the RS model parts if you COMPLETELY convert if you have the matching year car. Not a cheap proposition

Good to know. TRD exhaust still kosher since it is just a cat back? I'm not totally convinced on the springs anyway, but the sways would have been nice.

Correct, the catback is fair game. You can run s straight pipe for your catback if you really want (and are masochistic), as long as it is full length.

Trust me, these cars need NO extra rear sway bar. Sway bars are for balancing, not 'stiffer is better'. This car needs more front bar, which means more rear bar would counter productive.

Check out the "C Street questions" link in my signature for more information on setup.

Excellent, thanks. (I have signatures and avatars hidden on this forum, so that is why I didn't notice your c-stock info.) I'm fine with the TRD exhaust. I like the OEM look.

This is exactly why I went from ES to STR in my old Miata, and why I went to STX in the Toyobaru. Not changing tires at the beginning and end of every event takes away the worst part of the entire experience (except maybe working course when the FJ karts are running).

Alright guys I'm finally picking a set of CS tires this week. Hankook RS3 V2 or Dunlop Z2. I spoke to Sam Strano (multi time SCCA national champ) and he is convinced the RS3 V2 needs a wider width that what we can fit on the 7" wheel to be effective. I had Z2s last year that I autox'd on and daily drove on and they were great. I plan on doing the same with the RS3 V2s. Thoughts?

Did Sam say why? At any rate, it is surface/weather/setup dependent.

Like renfield90 said, it's surface/weather/setup dependent. What kind of surfaces and weather do you usually see for your events?

If you're going to DD the same tires, Z2 all the way. RS3 like to heatcycle out, assuming the V2 is similar in behavior. Z2s also handle cooler and wetter wether better than RS3.

I LOVE the Rs3 but it like a lot of camber, and we can't provide that. When I go STX, RS3 will be my weapon of choice but I'm stay on Z2s while running Street

I agree with this.

I will report my thoughts between the Z2 and RS3 on a CS BRZ after the next event. I've been on the 235 Z2's for 3 months, and I'm switching to 245 RS3V2's.

Sam is convinced we don't have the wheel width necessary to stuff an RS3 large enough on there to be 100% effective. I agree that wheel width is this car's CS Achilles heel. I don't have the experience on the RS3 to say yay or nay. Unfortunately the RS3 V2 is too new and I can't find any reviews on folks who have daily driven on them.

Pretty loose asphalt surface. The Z2s were great last year I've just been thinking about switching it up to try something new. I was going to go Rivals but I can't DD them. Supposedly the V2s are supposed to have a better operating range and are better in the wet than the V1s.