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miata 01-29-2012 11:43 PM
Optimal? Maybe. Cheaper? Definitely.
BMW M cars are always staggered.

Nardi330 01-30-2012 12:40 AM
STI concept at TAS runs staggered. 215/225. maybe something similar is good enough for look while keeping good handling/balance.

maxeveland 01-30-2012 09:38 AM
Anyone else notice their 25k euro estimated price? That's 33k in the US or was that some fully loaded one

cossey 01-30-2012 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by maxeveland (Post 123481)
Anyone else notice their 25k euro estimated price? That's 33k in the US or was that some fully loaded one
It was 25k Pounds not Euros so thats $39.2K but that is including sales tax at 20% and the UK spec one will be much higher than a FR-S.

Rabble 01-30-2012 02:57 PM
Aren't they already expecting people to buy a set of racing tires if they are going to track it? Why wouldn't they use Prius tires if that's the case? Probably have a ton of them with discounted bulk pricing from the manufacturer because they make a shit ton of priuses already.

Mitch 01-30-2012 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by miata (Post 123390)
Optimal? Maybe. Cheaper? Definitely.
BMW M cars are always staggered.
And this shift to staggered tires has been widely held to be to appease the corporate lawyers.

My '95 M3 was the last year of "square" tire sizing and no traction/stability control.
'96 onward got both staggered tires and traction/stability control.

I run 235/40/17 on my M3, and I couldn't be happier (for what I do with it). I wouldn't go wider in the rear for fear of throwing off the balance in the direction of understeer.

TheMadMan 01-30-2012 11:38 PM
Great review! And a FYI I have Michelin Primacy MXM4s (215/45/17) on my Scion TC and they are pretty decent tires IMO. They are relatively quite and smooth and grip much better than the OEM tires on my 2008 TC. I think the review calls them "Prius Tires" just for fun since they are only offered on the Plus Performance Package of the Prius.

Mitch 01-31-2012 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by TheMadMan (Post 123949)
Great review! And a FYI I have Michelin Primacy MXM4s (215/45/17) on my Scion TC and they are pretty decent tires IMO. They are relatively quite and smooth and grip much better than the OEM tires on my 2008 TC. I think the review calls them "Prius Tires" just for fun since they are only offered on the Plus Performance Package of the Prius.
I had MXM4s on my Si (non-Summer tire) and they weren't bad, [per se] but they weren't great and they were expensive and s*** to replace.

Harinjo 01-31-2012 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by miata (Post 123390)
Optimal? Maybe. Cheaper? Definitely.
BMW M cars are always staggered.

130i 3-door is faster with standard 205mm tyres on all 4 corners than the same car with m-package (215front and 245rear) ;)

lupehoops26 01-31-2012 11:59 AM
I went to the Houston Auto Show on Sunday to see the FR-S concept. The Scion rep there made a statement that 90% of the body from the concept will be present in the production version, and indicated (as others have suspected) that they expect it to be available "late spring, we're expecting in the June timeframe".

A question I had...anyone know the height of the tallest driver that has sat in one of these is so far? I had heard that 6'4 was the target, but seeing the car in person, I'm a little skeptical. I'm 6'3 so I'm really curious...

7thgear 01-31-2012 12:07 PM
staggered production cars are staggered because they have no aero downforce and make too much power, so to keep it balance the engineers simply balance by putting a wider tire on (reducing tenancy to lose lateral traction compared to front)

Sasquachulator 01-31-2012 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by lupehoops26 (Post 124181)
I went to the Houston Auto Show on Sunday to see the FR-S concept. The Scion rep there made a statement that 90% of the body from the concept will be present in the production version, and indicated (as others have suspected) that they expect it to be available "late spring, we're expecting in the June timeframe".

A question I had...anyone know the height of the tallest driver that has sat in one of these is so far? I had heard that 6'4 was the target, but seeing the car in person, I'm a little skeptical. I'm 6'3 so I'm really curious...
If tall people can cram themselves into a Lotus Elise, this car should be no problem lol.

lupehoops26 01-31-2012 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Sasquachulator (Post 124189)
If tall people can cram themselves into a Lotus Elise, this car should be no problem lol.
I suppose I'm more interested in what height can still have a comfortable fit...

I have the same problem on motorcycles - sure I can force myself into a tuck on a Yamaha R6, but my face is out over the nose, my knees are digging into my elbows and after about 30 minutes my back is screaming bloody murder.

Even if I'm looking for a performance weekend/track car, excessive body punishment isn't something I'm going to volunteer in exchange...

AIRMAX 01-31-2012 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 123388)
Since you are not the only one that seems to be planning to run a staggered tire setup I wanted to give my 2 cents on this aswell,

As far as looks, I am in complete agreement that this cars body work demands a staggered setup (which I think is the main reason people are looking as getting a staggered setup). If aren't too worried about taking this car around corners at high speeds on the track, you can probably stop reading and order your wheels/tires.

As far as handling, I personally would not even consider putting a set of staggered tires on this car until,

1. I drive this car and get a feel for the car balance (which as far as reviews go so far is that it is perfectly neutral) because...

2. Not enough, if any at all, thorough testing has been done with staggered tire setups to see exactly how this is going to affect the cars balance. It is pretty much guaranteed that the car is going to either tend to understeer, or oversteer more once a staggered setup is put on this car. I think logically the car will probably tend to understeer since with the added grip the back end will stay more planted, although I read that the staggered setup on an s2k produces more oversteer (and that a non-staggered setup on extremely common on japanese tuned s2k's.)

I'm pretty confident in assuming that the 86/BRZ, a sports car built solely for handling and driving feel, is sold with a non-staggered tire setup because it is optimal.


(1) I plan to drive this car as my daily driver, I dont plan to track it.... getting the tail to swing when turning = $200 fine here in Australia... and Im too old to attract attention too.


(2) 225 is stock Rear tyre, bumping it to 245 makes a difference but its not ridiculous.

daiheadjai 02-01-2012 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by mastawyrm (Post 122370)
What other reason would you choose one or the other? There looks to be less difference between the two than camaro/firebird so I think most people will make the decision based on badge. I know I'm more interested in driving the brand that is so well known for WRC compared to the brand that is known for eco-bland. The rumors that the Subaru will have just a slightly tighter suspension doesn't hurt either but I wouldn't expect that to matter much.

Had to comment on this:
Toyota has had a storied career in the WRC.
Carlos Sainz drove the Celica to the WRC championships in 1990 and 1992.
Toyota was also the first adopter of the anti-lag system in the WRC, something which other manufacturers soon followed.

The Corolla WRC took the 1998 championship before Toyota withdrew from WRC competition.

As much as Toyota earned/deserves it's current bland image, to say that they aren't well-known for F1 or WRC or other forms of motorsport is just crazy.

For what it's worth, I do think the BRZ looks better though.

eliminist 02-07-2012 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Franky (Post 122542)
Ah well there you go. I was going off of the Magazine. In fact on the website the GTR only has 17, so forget my previous post. But either way you look at it, 19 is still a very very good score.

Look again, theyve reduced the score to 17 now for some reason. Probably thought 19 was too high for a toyota..

Dadhawk 02-07-2012 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by lupehoops26 (Post 124211)
I have the same problem on motorcycles - sure I can force myself into a tuck on a Yamaha R6, but my face is out over the nose, my knees are digging into my elbows and after about 30 minutes my back is
I have the opposite but same problem at 5' 7". I refuse to ride a cruiser, and every other bike has either not enough pullback or is way too tall. I ride a Honda 919 (Hornet) now with 1.5" pullback risers and its pretty good. About the only other thing that fits "off the rack" is a Goldwing.

suprachica79 02-07-2012 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 129246)
I have the opposite but same problem at 5' 7". I refuse to ride a cruiser, and every other bike has either not enough pullback or is way too tall. I ride a Honda 919 (Hornet) now with 1.5" pullback risers and its pretty good. About the only other thing that fits "off the rack" is a Goldwing.
I hit the same problem as an average-height female riding a motorcycle. Both Kawis I have bought I have had to lower at least a couple of inches to feel comfortable. I'm currently building a bobber and trying to build forward controls that aren't too far away for my short 5'6" legs lol

Exage 02-12-2012 09:29 PM
Top Gear starts a brief talk about the 86/BRZ at 13:35 during their news segment.

Videos taken down. Sorry

tachi1247 02-12-2012 11:03 PM
not much in that video worth watching.

tranzformer 02-12-2012 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by tachi1247 (Post 132655)
not much in that video worth watching.
Yeah. They need to do a test drive. Basically they don't think it looks that good. It costs too much but it comes with RWD, LSD and boxer engine.

Exage 02-12-2012 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by tachi1247 (Post 132655)
not much in that video worth watching.
Hence why it didn't get it's own thread. It's a preview of what [impressions] we might be in for when they get around to testing.

Sorry for wasting your time

JohnnyR 02-13-2012 06:26 AM
Have to agree even by comparing to their prices, they're overpriced.

It's telling that there is still not real set in stone pricing on them here, and we're just a handful of months away. Toyota/Subaru are really waiting it out to get the lowest price on the car as possible, as it's needed. Right now the current guesstimates out there I'd say it's way overpriced. The top of the line BRZ should come in at $24,999 for example.


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