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xjohnx 02-07-2013 02:05 PM

Maybe it's time for a separate ECU tuning subforum even?

eljefe 02-07-2013 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by xjohnx (Post 718882)
Maybe it's time for a separate ECU tuning subforum even?


exactly this. a place for us to share maps and whatnot.

mad_sb 02-07-2013 02:10 PM

for sure

pozer 02-07-2013 02:37 PM

Agreed..

seven 02-07-2013 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xjohnx (Post 718882)
Maybe it's time for a separate ECU tuning subforum even?

I'd agree :)

staying tuned to this thread also. :)

Acree 02-07-2013 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by eljefe (Post 718891)
exactly this. a place for us to share maps and whatnot.

Only non-vendor supplied maps... right?

-Acree

Foobar 02-07-2013 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Acree (Post 719239)
Only non-vendor supplied maps... right?

-Acree

Are there even any vendors using this tool to distribute maps? It doesn't have the ability to provide encryption or some other mechanism to protect a tuner's map, does it?

eljefe 02-07-2013 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Acree (Post 719239)
Only non-vendor supplied maps... right?

-Acree


Not really sure what you mean by this?

I mean tuning our cars, then posting up our maps to the community, so that others can modify and make use of them as well.

Then again for those with heavily modified or boosted cars, this is no subsititute for a dyno tune. But at least another persons map could provide a starting point if they have a similar setup.

mad_sb 02-07-2013 04:28 PM

Yes, non vendor maps only. For that matter, maps that the creator wishes to be public domain.. because the issue is not whom is a paid vendor or not but who has given consent for public usage IMO anyway.

Acree 02-07-2013 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by eljefe (Post 719281)
Not really sure what you mean by this?

I mean tuning our cars, then posting up our maps to the community, so that others can modify and make use of them as well.

Then again for those with heavily modified or boosted cars, this is no subsititute for a dyno tune. But at least another persons map could provide a starting point if they have a similar setup.

I say this because I come from the Evo community where 99% or more of tuning is done with EcuFlash. There is a very strict policy on EvoM of not posting vendor maps.

The problem with the stock Evo ECU is it cannot be secured in any way. Even if vendors "lock" the maps, it takes 30 seconds to unlock them with a free and widely available tool online.

-Acree

xjohnx 02-07-2013 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Foobar (Post 719262)
Are there even any vendors using this tool to distribute maps? It doesn't have the ability to provide encryption or some other mechanism to protect a tuner's map, does it?

Given the low cost of entry I'm pretty sure various local shops will start offering dyno-tunes with it. How useful those maps will be to other cars or whether someone would be willing to go through the trouble of getting their own tactrix cable/basic license to pull the roms is another story.

eljefe 02-07-2013 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Acree (Post 719301)
I say this because I come from the Evo community where 99% or more of tuning is done with EcuFlash. There is a very strict policy on EvoM of not posting vendor maps.

The problem with the stock Evo ECU is it cannot be secured in any way. Even if vendors "lock" the maps, it takes 30 seconds to unlock them with a free and widely available tool online.

-Acree

Sounds weird to me i guess because i come from the honda community, where there arent exactly cookie-cutter maps being sold by vendors... vendors sell the tuning solution itself, then you download a widely available basemap that someone has posted that is somewhat close to your setup, then take it to a tuner and get it dyno tuned.

Ive always thought of basemaps as a starting point, ive never thought of them as something that somebody bottles and sells.

Acree 02-07-2013 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by eljefe (Post 719314)
Sounds weird to me i guess because i come from the honda community, where there arent exactly cookie-cutter maps being sold by vendors... vendors sell the tuning solution itself, then you download a widely available basemap that someone has posted that is somewhat close to your setup, then take it to a tuner and get it dyno tuned.

Ive always thought of basemaps as a starting point, ive never thought of them as something that somebody bottles and sells.

This is how it's supposed to be. But that doesn't stop some users from saying "oh hai guys, i have a stock car with EBC, catback, and intake. can someone plz post a map if you have the same mods? k thx"

Crap like that...

-Acree

pozer 02-07-2013 04:53 PM

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ML 02-07-2013 05:58 PM

So its February...

xjohnx 02-07-2013 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ML (Post 719511)
So its February...

I love lamp?

ML 02-07-2013 07:03 PM

good eye, changed it.

ft_sjo 02-08-2013 04:19 AM

Can anyone confirm if it's possible to disable DTC's generated by lack of cats with this solution?

xjohnx 02-08-2013 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ft_sjo (Post 720766)
Can anyone confirm if it's possible to disable DTC's generated by lack of cats with this solution?

http://fast16v.com/zrbedit/6.jpg

ft_sjo 02-08-2013 10:39 AM

Thanks. Have all you guys really splashed out $1500 on this?

Z0rr0 02-08-2013 11:13 AM

No, they have spent $500. Tune 1 car only.

ATL BRZ 02-08-2013 11:13 AM

I really hope the community here embraces this. Anything to help drive down EcuTek prices ($300 for a flash cable is insulting) is welcome in my book. It may be more involved since it's a self-tuning solution, but competition is competition.

Map sharing + normal cable prices are a beautiful thing.

Z0rr0 02-08-2013 11:15 AM

I do not think it'll change Ecutek pricing at all.
It didnt for subaru cars. License still the same, tune still the same.. it's a matter of preference.

I love some of the features of ecutek, but having someone else tune it, and i cannot even see what they've done, let alone change it, is a major deal breaker for me.

Z0rr0 02-08-2013 11:40 AM

On another note,

Can Load limit be raised, and the Load axes on timing and fueling be re-scaled?
I really have no interest in tuning this thing N/A other than possibly alleviating some of the torque dip.

I'm going to be tuning for boost. So needing to extend the loads out is paramount.

brzEdit 02-08-2013 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Z0rr0 (Post 721152)
On another note,

Can Load limit be raised, and the Load axes on timing and fueling be re-scaled?
I really have no interest in tuning this thing N/A other than possibly alleviating some of the torque dip.

I'm going to be tuning for boost. So needing to extend the loads out is paramount.

Yes: map axis are scalable in software
Yes: load axis can be scaled to higher levels

MAF senor scaling table is available to help with adding turbocharger or supercharger. MAP sensor scaling not available yet but is in progress.

pozer 02-08-2013 12:10 PM

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Z0rr0 02-08-2013 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brzEdit (Post 721209)
Yes: map axis are scalable in software
Yes: load axis can be scaled to higher levels

MAF senor scaling table is available to help with adding turbocharger or supercharger. MAP sensor scaling not available yet but is in progress.

Welcome to the forums.
MAP sensor scaling would be nice.

Do you have anyone developing the ECU for new functionality, or are you just defining the ROM?

buditjoenawan 02-08-2013 12:28 PM

Any and all competition is good. Ecutek in Impreza market is pretty non-existent. You don't have to believe me, just look at pricing between an Ecutek solution and an Accessport. The feature parity vs. price parity is not in Ecutek's favor. Hopefully, development in the market spurs innovation. That's all we want, isn't it?

- budi

brzEdit 02-08-2013 12:30 PM

first we define rom maps
maybe next we seek additional functions such as launch limiter or flat foot shift like in wrx roms

brzEdit 02-08-2013 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xjohnx (Post 719303)
Given the low cost of entry I'm pretty sure various local shops will start offering dyno-tunes with it. How useful those maps will be to other cars or whether someone would be willing to go through the trouble of getting their own tactrix cable/basic license to pull the roms is another story.

Read function not available only flash. Software provided with factory files to start tuning process.

Foobar 02-08-2013 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by brzEdit (Post 721330)
Read function not available only flash. Software provided with factory files to start tuning process.

I presume from some of the screenshots that other members have posted that the factory files you're providing are the original ones that don't include Subaru's latest TSB fix. Any chance you have the files available for the latest factory reflash? That's ZA1JA00C for USDM 6MT, for instance.

Z0rr0 02-08-2013 02:33 PM

Anyone care to share the "factory" file that comes with BRZedit?
Could load it up in IDA and start playing.

epifan 02-08-2013 03:55 PM

Some of latest factory bins included in brzEdit ECUs pack, including ZA1JA00C.
Pro version users can dump ECU bins for collect ECUs pack

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foobar (Post 721505)
I presume from some of the screenshots that other members have posted that the factory files you're providing are the original ones that don't include Subaru's latest TSB fix. Any chance you have the files available for the latest factory reflash? That's ZA1JA00C for USDM 6MT, for instance.


jedibow 02-08-2013 10:40 PM

If I read your website correctly, the only way to locate, identify, and edit new maps within the edu is if you have the "pro" tuning kit?

Forgive me for my ignorance.

George

mad_sb 02-08-2013 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jedibow (Post 722796)
If I read your website correctly, the only way to locate, identify, and edit new maps within the edu is if you have the "pro" tuning kit?

Forgive me for my ignorance.

George

I don't believe that is correct. Even with EcuFlash, the process of finding new maps does not involve ecuflash... testing them does, but finding is normally done with a dis-assembly program not the editor program itself.

I'm fairly sure The personal and pro versions will updated as new maps are found. And of course if you find a new map via whatever means, if you email the data to Epifan, I'm sure he will make it available via a program update.

The personal version was just released this week and there have already been two updates published.

epifan 02-10-2013 04:12 PM

With Pro version you have access to raw ECU bin using internal HEXViewer tool. So you can get access to all possible maps (1700+) and create defs for them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jedibow (Post 722796)
If I read your website correctly, the only way to locate, identify, and edit new maps within the edu is if you have the "pro" tuning kit?


86drift 02-10-2013 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epifan (Post 721866)
Some of latest factory bins included in brzEdit ECUs pack, including ZA1JA00C.
Pro version users can dump ECU bins for collect ECUs pack

Welcome to the forum! It's good to have vendors on to help answer questions.

Hopefully the admins will set up a setup a sub-category for tuning because there's going to be a lot of questions and interest in this stuff.

xjohnx 02-10-2013 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epifan (Post 725637)
With Pro version you have access to raw ECU bin using internal HEXViewer tool. So you can get access to all possible maps (1700+) and create defs for them.

Does that mean owners of the Pro version could theoretically read maps flashed by ecutek tuners?

brzEdit 02-11-2013 12:58 AM

No, Ecutek maps will carry a proprietary encryption applied to them. So I doubt you will be able to ready them using our software.

ft_sjo 02-11-2013 02:46 AM

Can you read the OEM cal with this?


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