^Hm... Maybe that spec on the site might be old spec & Hachi's info is the new one?

I really hope the subaru isn't HIGHER though..

15mm is like half an inch, like 0.6 inches lol

Yep, that's significant to be "the same car" :P

wow! that actually looks really good, even better than the STI concept! i actually dunno which one i like better anymore, brz or frs!

edit: as far as the old specs, could they be the specs for the glass shell demonstration model?

I want one.

You're right! The lower-height version is just of the BRZ Prologue. The production BRZ has a higher height sadly.:cry:

oh noes .6 inch taller

Regardless of how miniscule the difference is, the question is, why? Why is there a difference at all? I thought the two cars are mechanically the same? Does the BRZ use a different suspension that makes the whole body sit higher, or is it just the roofline of the BRZ that's higher?

The two cars use the same unibody, according to what we've been told, so the roofline can't be higher relative to the floor. To me, 15 mm either way is easily explained by some combination of suppension settings and wheel/tire size. Shoot, maybe the tires were a bit low on air on one model when it was measured.

.6" on a 215/45/17 would be noticably low on pressure and I'd assume they were all inflated to spec before measurement anyways.

They are the same mechanically based on what we've been told (including tire/wheel size).

Most likely one of the two numbers we've been given is simply wrong. Considering all of the other incorrect/changing info we've been given this shouldn't really surprise anyone.

Could it just be a difference in rim sizes? Also once again the motor is talked about without the mention of any Yamaha work, maybe Im just a skeptic.

The .6" difference could be due to the different tires being equipped from the FRS to the BRZ. I don't see the use of nitpicking on a .6"!?! Would it really make that much of a difference you guys? :iono:

Sti version at LA autoshow and production version none sti at tokyo right?

Again, the tires are 215/45/17 as stated by BOTH manufacturers (on paper and in first drives). It's not the tires or the wheels.

STI prototype at LA Autoshow, not the actual production version.

no i dont care, i was just saying sarcastically "oh noes .6 in" :thumbsup:

goes to show you how many people judge a book by its cover

I'd take the dimensions with a grain of salt, they're from the BRZ Prologue concept, which was from Geneva.

STI concept model at LA show, regular BRZ production model at Tokyo. No one knows yet if the STI concept model will also be shown at Tokyo.

Arguably the best looking car in Subaru's lineup, by far. I was on the fence about the new impreza until they added the wider fenders but the BRZ is looking SHARP!

I kind of like the front air dam on the BRZ more than what's on the FR-S. Really diggin' the LED headlights.

Yeah, same dimensions but are both manufactures going to use the same exact tire brand? That might be the difference even though both are 45 series, on might have a deeper thead depth adding that extra .6".


I know, that's why I included you in the quote b/c would a .6" make a significant difference to most of us!? Probably not!

Watch, I bet we'll see threads about .6 mpg difference between Chevron and Shell gasoline! :bellyroll::bellyroll:

I'm not sure what Toyota was thinking....

Now...
The Subaru version is not only... a little bit better performance wise, it is also smaller and BETTER looking front and rear.


Toyota just lost about 25% potential sales, who will no doubt fork the extra $4000-$5000 to get a more "mature" and "prestige" looking version.


Unless the Toyota comes out with a turbo, many people who waited and current owners of 350z/370z/Genesis etc who are looking for a newer car will opt for the Subaru version.... Looks Audi-ish with Mazda touch.... which is GOOD.

The delinquent looking rear tail lights of the Toyota only really appeals to the really young, like 18-21 year olds.... they need to offer a "red" cover tail lights off the factory.... many people do not want to mod their rear lamps within the first year or 2 due to warranty purposes.....

Not gonna happen with not-so-friendly CR ratio of the engine.

Hmmm, i think many of us are going to buy replica/used BRZ Front Bumpers and stick em on our Scions! :bonk:

grill looks a lot like the new genesis coupe

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HkckOI0V-h...nesiscoupe.jpg

I think it looks a lot better on the BRZ though, can't wait to learn more. Please let this be the cheap one!
http://www.thecarblogger.net/2011/11...e-of-2013.html

I'm thinking subaru uses their FB series 1.6L turbo engine for a FI model. It would keep it off the heels of their impreza wrx/sti models, but enough power to please the rest of us.

This front end + STI concept taillights + lil more power and torque = Me driving one off the lot...lol.

Honestly though i will put these things side by side and see which i like best, then make my choice

For the record I still prefer the Toyota's front end, and depending whether the BRZ will go with the test mule's rear (which looks identical to the FT-86's) or the BRZ STi Concept's rear (which I prefer), I think the FT-86 may still be the better looking of the two to me. And the BRZ is not any smaller than the FT-86; they're identical. The smaller dimensions quoted in the first post of the thread are of the BRZ Prologue Concept.

[QUOTE=AIRMAX;73123]I'm not sure what Toyota was thinking....
Toyota just lost about 25% potential sales, who will no doubt fork the extra $4000-$5000 to get a more "mature" and "prestige" looking version[QUOTE]

I will most likely fit into the BRZ catagory as it sits today with leaked photo's and specs...... !! ...:-/

First off WheelFast, I want your truck.

Second, as it stands right now it's less than $2000 difference. :)

The pallet available for Subaru vehicles are more mature and better(subjective) looking than the metallic candy colors and flat glosses Scion will have. Plasma Blue(would be my choice since I'm a fan of the old BRP) will be a hit along with Lightning Red and Satin White Pearl.

Colors choices can make or break a car sale.

Agree'ed your truck is awesome, I for one will go the TRD route, I like the toyota version better or I just have never been a Subi fan, I think the TRD version\upgrades make the car look clean.:bow:

Do you think Subaru is going to keep two different sets for the same car to use depending on the badge? :P No.

It's not really that significant UNLESS there is something different when it's supposed to be exactly the same car. 15mm is about the average lowering in Porsche sport suspensions, BMWs, Hondas, etc so if 15mm is the difference in reality than it means something IS different, which COULD be significant. The height itself is not, but the parts that are causing it to be different might be.

Exactly. It's not about how small the height difference is, but about how they're different. If the reason of their difference is in different suspension tuning or just different suspension altogether, it could be significant.

I can totally see that happening LOL

Case in point about most Scion owners. You won't see many, if any, Subaru owners buy Scion parts to put on their Subaru. Be proud of your car and don't molest it.

Well turbo or not, the point is...

the Subaru version is BETTER looking, BETTER performance for more cost.

A lot of people who were planning to buy the Toyota version can simply add an extra $4000-$5000 to get a much better looking Front Bumper, Tail lights and Off the factory tuning that increases the performance.

I think there's a big enough market for those people.


Let's face it, out of all the AERO and TRD kits... which would cost $2000-$3000 anyways, the Subaru Front Bumper and Rear lamps are "hot" enough to upgrade from Toyota version to Subaru.

Enhanced the lighting and made it blue:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f8...ceptteaser.jpg

The 2) Subaru's in the mag test both had different suspension as well as different tires. It is possible that both manufactures can use shocks as well as different tires which will change the specs. They'll be identical with the same but there will be a slight variation.