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Kkd79 11-06-2012 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by bdbx18 (Post 540997)
One of the biggest drawback of the Limited, which I'm sure is on the mind of Subaru's product pricing people, is that it is priced right at the $30k mark. At $25k, the price was sweet for the FRS. But with the BRZ and the higher trim approaching $30k, there are bound to be buyers who would reconsider sprinting a few bucks more for something else with more power, luxury, cachet or practicality in a Lexus, Bimmer, Merc e.g. Or a low-miles used model. I'm one of them and probably would if my BRZ order falls through. Or I may just go to a bare bones FRS which was my original intent before I learned and gotten seduced by the greater creature comforts of the costlier BRZs.

Amen:clap::clap::clap:

BMWDavid 11-06-2012 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bdbx18 (Post 540997)
One of the biggest drawback of the Limited, which I'm sure is on the mind of Subaru's product pricing people, is that it is priced right at the $30k mark. At $25k, the price was sweet for the FRS. But with the BRZ and the higher trim approaching $30k, there are bound to be buyers who would reconsider sprinting a few bucks more for something else with more power, luxury, cachet or practicality in a Lexus, Bimmer, Merc e.g. Or a low-miles used model. I'm one of them and probably would if my BRZ order falls through. Or I may just go to a bare bones FRS which was my original intent before I learned and gotten seduced by the greater creature comforts of the costlier BRZs.

Actually its more like $28,250.00 but I do understand your position that it is approaching $30K with tax and license. But even at close to 30K I feel that the BRZ Limited is a very good value. Love all of the features that the Limited has in my BRZ Limited.

TheSt|G 11-06-2012 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BRZfan (Post 540552)
I "bit better" than leather or a "bit better" than the cloth fabric in the Premium?

Both, but fabric is pretty good.

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Originally Posted by Subie (Post 540871)
I hope you don't plan on having kids any time soon; having a warm seat means warm walnuts, too.

Not anytime soon. I'm heading towards med school and don't have time for kids now.

bdbx18 11-07-2012 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BMWDavid (Post 541271)
Actually its more like $28,250.00 but I do understand your position that it is approaching $30K with tax and license. But even at close to 30K I feel that the BRZ Limited is a very good value. Love all of the features that the Limited has in my BRZ Limited.

My 'in-transit' car is an automagic and has the fancy chrome stickers so the sticker was $30,006.

Tomzilla 11-07-2012 05:03 PM

1.6k for fog lights, nicer dials, heated seats, leather, push start, and a less than pretty spoiler.

Not for me.

-Leather is nice, but unnecessary.
-Fog lights really don't aid in the fog.
-I've never got in my car and immediately wished for my ass to be warm.
-Nice dials are just that; nice but unnecessary.
-Push start is the same as turn-key, it's literally one motion and to me, turn-start is more mechanically pleasing to do.

Just my opinion, like errrrybody else.

davesrave 11-07-2012 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bdbx18 (Post 540997)
One of the biggest drawback of the Limited, which I'm sure is on the mind of Subaru's product pricing people, is that it is priced right at the $30k mark. At $25k, the price was sweet for the FRS. But with the BRZ and the higher trim approaching $30k, there are bound to be buyers who would reconsider sprinting a few bucks more for something else with more power, luxury, cachet or practicality in a Lexus, Bimmer, Merc e.g. Or a low-miles used model. I'm one of them and probably would if my BRZ order falls through. Or I may just go to a bare bones FRS which was my original intent before I learned and gotten seduced by the greater creature comforts of the costlier BRZs.

A recent Road and Track article reviewed the 328i BMW in a comparo -

http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...ac-ats-premium.

The base was around $35K but the sticker was over $50K after options which included special paint, heated seats, nav, hids, and push button start (included in the BRZ Limited). Sure there many additional toys, but I've never been in the market for a $50K car. Yes, I can justify and afford an additional $1600 for those luxuries in the BRZ but there comes a point...where no matter what the car offers (Porsche Boxster or Cayman for example), I'm out, not a player, can't justify the expense, can't afford or justify the maintenance, repair, taxes...Need for a second car, whatever that costs extra.

For me, there is no cross shopping and I doubt there are "low-mile" used models (with warranty) that come close to the price of the BRZ and deliver the fun. It's been said over and over, so it doesn't need to be repeated, but this car provides an incredible amount of engineering, technology, and value to those who really want a first rate sports car that offers this performance to price ratio. $1600 doesn't change that equation for me.

Kkd79 11-07-2012 08:36 PM

I saw a white BRZ Limited AT at the dealer yesterday and they wanted $34k OTD for it, 8 miles on the odometer no test drive allowed. I walked across the street and Acura dealer offered me $32k OTD for a 2013 tsx + technology package. Two completely different cars that shouldn't be compared, but makes you think

BMWDavid 11-08-2012 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Kkd79 (Post 544772)
I saw a white BRZ Limited AT at the dealer yesterday and they wanted $34k OTD for it, 8 miles on the odometer no test drive allowed. I walked across the street and Acura dealer offered me $32k OTD for a 2013 tsx + technology package. Two completely different cars that shouldn't be compared, but makes you think

What Acura model did you look at?

Dorb 11-08-2012 07:08 AM

If you don't want to get the limited then you just doubled your cars with the FR-S now in the mix - look at all the options and how easier it will be to find now. Woot!

BRZfan 11-08-2012 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Dorb (Post 545456)
If you don't want to get the limited then you just doubled your cars with the FR-S now in the mix - look at all the options and how easier it will be to find now. Woot!

I do not understand...

EvoXDD 11-08-2012 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Tomzilla (Post 544358)
1.6k for fog lights, nicer dials, heated seats, leather, push start, and a less than pretty spoiler.

Not for me.

-Leather is nice, but unnecessary.
-Fog lights really don't aid in the fog.
-I've never got in my car and immediately wished for my ass to be warm.
-Nice dials are just that; nice but unnecessary.
-Push start is the same as turn-key, it's literally one motion and to me, turn-start is more mechanically pleasing to do.

Just my opinion, like errrrybody else.

I'm sorry but you are looking at this all the wrong way. The leather keeps the new car smell forever damn near, the fog lights in extreme fog help a lot, in the middle of winter or if you have back problems like I do, you pray for your seats to get hot faster(marine corps injury), the nicer dials make the inside of the car, they are beautiful especially if you frequent car shows. I have had several judges tell me that my car looks like a plane cockpit and it is nice to tell you car exactly what temp to set at. Push start, once you have it you will never want to be without it. Keeps your car from getting scratches and if you have several cars like I do (brz, Evo x, and juke) it is awesome not to fumble around trying to find the correct key. But like you said that is my opinion

When racing the sound of jingling keys is very distracting

Razz 11-08-2012 12:08 PM

I would wait until there are allot of cars on the market or see if you can negotiate.

You don't need that crappy radio or GPS.

Get it without one, then put an aftermarket unit in.

Worse case have the dealer put in an after market unit and give you credit for the piece of crap in the car.

That's one of the major draw backs of the fully loaded model.

Dorb 11-08-2012 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BRZfan (Post 545483)
I do not understand...


The limited is offered only on the BRZ, all the others are pretty much the same.(premium BRZ / FR-S) Other than the GPS, which can always add your own. At least the way I am looking at it.

Tomzilla 11-08-2012 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by EvoXDD (Post 545863)
I'm sorry but you are looking at this all the wrong way.

How am I looking at it the wrong way when all of those were my opinions? They aren't universal truths, clearly, judging by how much you like your Limited.

How can someone's opinion on their OWN preference be wrong?

It's like me saying, "I like mayonnaise on my ham and cheese." and then you saying, "No, Tom, you're wrong because I like mustard on it."

PMok 11-08-2012 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by EvoXDD (Post 545863)
When racing the sound of jingling keys is very distracting

If you are truly racing, you wouldn't need more than one key.

racecaresuaceb 11-08-2012 06:53 PM

I was in the same situation and I sprung for a Limited.

Why? those leather alcantara seats look and feel great. The climate control knobs and switches look great and

(saved the best for last)

KEYLESS ENTRY. Just walk up to your car and pull the door handle or the trunk and it just opens.

Seeing the car unlock and the inside light up when you just walk up to it without touching a single button just looks too cool and functional to give up.

WRXGuy1 11-09-2012 09:21 AM

I already posted a few pages back, but to keep it simple I went with the premium simply because it was already expensive enough for me :P

itisthumper 11-09-2012 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dorb (Post 545951)
The limited is offered only on the BRZ, all the others are pretty much the same.(premium BRZ / FR-S) Other than the GPS, which can always add your own. At least the way I am looking at it.

HID + Nav (did not care that much about this) + Suby interior

That's what me want the Suby Premium.. BRZ headlights are ~$800 each

LeeMaster 11-09-2012 01:23 PM

I chose the BRZ Premium because my ass is always hot, my mirrors will never be frozen, I prefer old school method of using the key to start my car, and the Foglight and spoiler can be had at a future date at a lower price once the aftermarket starts developing them.

Thats just my personal preference. Some people love keyless access /w start button, some like it but find it unnecessary(like myself).

zc06_kisstherain 11-09-2012 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LeeMaster (Post 548244)
I chose the BRZ Premium because my ass is always hot, my mirrors will never be frozen, I prefer old school method of using the key to start my car, and the Foglight and spoiler can be had at a future date at a lower price once the aftermarket starts developing them.

Thats just my personal preference. Some people love keyless access /w start button, some like it but find it unnecessary(like myself).

exact same reason i have. i like using key.

PMok 11-09-2012 03:19 PM

LOL @ you young lazy whippersnappers, I remember when I had to physically insert a key to UNLOCK the door, then get in and physically REACH OVER to unlock the other side for a friend to get in. So the standard "keyless entry" of the FR-S and BRZ-P is just fine. :)

BRZfan 11-09-2012 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PMok (Post 548492)
LOL @ you young lazy whippersnappers, I remember when I had to physically insert a key to UNLOCK the door, then get in and physically REACH OVER to unlock the other side for a friend to get in. So the standard "keyless entry" of the FR-S and BRZ-P is just fine. :)

I still have one of those. 54 Chevy

ayilar 11-10-2012 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ayilar (Post 540894)
The most glaring mis-match seems to be coming from the clock. Wonder whether that can be replaced. Also wonder about the back-lighting of the left two rotary HVAC knobs -- changing the backlighting might help. Suggestions welcome!

It any event, just a few more days and I'll let you know. Taking delivery this month, so will be able to update soon.

Just took delivery of my Premium MT and drove it over 200 miles, including two shorter trips at night.

The car is great, and as soon as I saw its tail I know I'd made the right choice (for me -- your tastes may vary) between Premium vs. Limited.

This being said, there is ONE thing I regret thus far with the Premium: the color mismatch between the HVAC controls (pale orange) and all of the other lit-up controls (the clock, unexpectedly, is not an issue for me as some other controls are lit up in the same color).

Back to my question: does anyone have an idea as to whether the backlight for the HVAC controls can be changed to the same type lighting up the window switches? One solution I saw is here:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzbAtqc_5dQ"]Scion Fr-s/Toyota 86/Subaru Brz-Hvac Led Swap - YouTube[/ame]


Results look good but process seems complicated. Any other ideas?

GNS 11-11-2012 12:06 PM

I don't know what the OP's decision turned out to be, but absolutely go for the higher trim at only $1600 more.

jmaryt 11-11-2012 02:42 PM

yes! i believe so! seems to be the "smart play",especially in light
of the fact the car's resale value will be boosted in years to come!
it definitely will be more desirable over the other variants!

bdbx18 11-11-2012 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GNS (Post 551086)
I don't know what the OP's decision turned out to be, but absolutely go for the higher trim at only $1600 more.

I went with a Limited. However, I needed to wait a couple of weeks for a incoming car.

TSY 11-12-2012 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by bdbx18 (Post 551954)
I went with a Limited. However, I needed to wait a couple of weeks for a incoming car.

Good choice. You won't regret it!

Turbowned 11-12-2012 09:28 AM

Very good choice indeed! I think you'll really come to appreciate the keyless access and auto climate control most of all :)


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