Yeah I don't believe in going aftermarket turbo on a N/A engine from the factory. I want the manufactured tested engine with a long warranty. That's why when people say "well you can go the aftermarket route with the FRS/BRZ if the engine isn't to your taste" I just ignore them.

The thing I love about factory turbo engines is that, more often than not, they're overbuilt because they're designed with boost in mind from the beginning. Don't get me wrong, an aftermarket turbo can be great if its done right, but I've seen time and time again when people throw a turbo kit on a naturally aspirated engine and the engine can't handle the boost in the long term. Sometimes it works great for a while though! Over the long term, things often go downhill. I've seen it over and over again...

If for some reason they decide to increase the power without forced induction, I'll be very disappointed. I mean, increased power is always good, but I really think a small twin-scroll turbo would be perfect on these engines. There would be virtually no lag and plenty of low-end torque. I'd actually be disappointed if they decided to use a supercharger, although that would also provide great low-end torque. As you can probably tell, I'm a BIG fan of turbochargers.

I have a good friend who tried that with a Supra. He purchased an N/A Supra and tried to turn it into a Supra Turbo. The end result was not pretty. The car was fast as hell for a while. And then it wasn't so fast anymore. LOL

I have the FR-S and I wanted to weigh in on the interior. This is a place where Toyota and Subaru cut some corners. I don't know that it can be justified by the price though. Even the Tc has a better quality interior and don't get me started on a golf. But if saving a few pennies helped get this car off the ground then I'm all for it. Honestly I don't stare at the cheap ac controls enough to notice.

If you want a lot more power then just get a Z. If you want the most fun for your dollar this car could be it. Heck I got some major sideways action at under. 30mph the other day. I haven't done that since I had my first image, a 99, and new miatas have lost a lot of the original spirit these days.

I originally looked at the brz but subabru wanted 2500 bucks just to have the priviledge to by by it. with that being said i found the fr-s with upgraded aftermarket leather and actually got a great deal. i looked at almost all the cars in this class or at least close to this class. i made a great choice finally a car built for driving. i saw a brz at the shop the other day and talk with its owner we checked out each others car and they are exactly the same with minor adjustments. glad to be here on the forum.

I'll chime in here.. My last car was a Mazdaspeed 3, I traded it in on a FR-S, and on delivery got my money back, then a week later got a 2.0T 2013 Genesis Coupe, and am very happy with my decision..

Why? The FR-S was SO slow in comparison to the Mazda, my Mazda handled better than the FR-S (though it had Koni's on it, stock it probably wouldn't have) and the practicality of how tiny the FR-S was made it a bad choice for me.

The Genesis Coupe is actually a tad bit (but not much) slower than my Mazda was, But the Mazda had work done to it, and I plan to do a bit to the Gen Coupe. (it actually has higher potential modded than the Mazda did without needing a total rebuild, better internals etc, but I didn't know this at the time) It is also surprisingly good handling. It does need a firm boot to deal with under steer, but it is not bad.

I have taken the car to the Local Motor's auto-x days, so some of you may have seen pics of my car next to all the FR-S's and I actually posted better times than most of the FR-S's through the course. I do have aftermarket wheels and tires though, so that probably helps.

All in all, if the FR-S had more power, I probably would have kept it. I don't claim my Genesis is a better car, just more suited to me.

(Also whenever I meet up with yruyur and we park the cars next to each other, mine get most the looks and questions, his FR-S gets ignored)

Speaking of local motors are you coming out next Saturday? I've been practicing and I want a rematch I'm still not that good at autoX but I'm getting better. Well post our times here to show which was quicker to show the difference the extra power you have makes and I have to agree your's does look better

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Possibly, I am tearing my Audio system apart on Friday, so if I am done with that in time, I'll be there. But I don't want to half ass my install to make a single event.

I understand that I'm taking a day to do my coil overs so I don't have to rush it in an afternoon after work

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Thanks for your input, it is much appreciated. However, why your Genesis gets attention for how it looks is probably not a good thing. The front end is a complete mess on the 2013, like it wants to be an EvoX or GTR. The sharp angles just don't go well with the rounded rear end. Just my 2cents.

http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/d/5...DI_NOISSES_PMT

Possibly, though looks are always a personal thing. :D

my car: http://www.localmotors.com/wp-conten...d_IMG_7654.jpg