Not if it takes days to do it. A Model S charges at a rate of 170 miles in 30 minutes on a L3 charger, so that would be 5 hours to reach 2,000 miles on supercharger.

A level 2 home charger does at best 50 miles of range per hour, so 40 hours.

Reference here.

I meant more for fuel cell don't they have a good range? (Tesla tractor would be the viable alternative LOL)

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I think you guys are creating more of a problem than what exists. The car meets the needs of the masses, but not everyone. No one is claiming anything different.

The average person drives 30 miles a day:

https://newsroom.aaa.com/2015/04/new...torists-drive/

The time to recharge that 30 miles on a V3 Supercharger is around 3 minutes. Faster than most people spend in line at Starbucks every morning.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mot...er-tested/amp/

If someone doesn’t want to install a 240v outlet then the 120v will add 3-5 miles of range per hour, which is 8-10 hours of charging for 30 miles. A 240v socket like that of a dryer or stove from an older home will add 22 miles of range per hour, so it would take 1.5 hours to add 30 miles. Again, for the vast majority of people, this meets their daily needs.

https://teslatap.com/articles/tesla-...harging-guide/

Yeah electric cars are fine if you live and work in the same town.

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I can add nothing intelligent to this conversation since I am clueless on EVs but it would seem that this would indeed work fine for the vast majority of the population. That would work for my wife except that we use her car for all our road trips and I would think charging would be a nightmare for planning since most of our trips consist of "that road looks cool wonder where it goes?"

At 240v (old homes version), if you plugged in the car from 10pm to 6am every night then you could add 176 miles per night. At 70 miles per hour, that is 2.5 hours of highway driving per day. That doesn’t cover everyone, but it covers the vast majority of daily users and long commuters. The standard for most Tesla owners is the 50 amp (RV-style) outlet, which adds 30 miles of range per hour or 240 miles per 8 hours or almost 3.5 hours of highway driving range per day.

It probably doesn’t work for people who drive for a living all day long.

Haha yeah not quite for me. I have to drive like 1.5-2hrs each way. My next car might have hybrid tech, but I doubt I could go full electric unless batteries get better.

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I think you're assuming the person either 1) never leaves town or 2) if they do they either have another car or takes mass transportation.

I have plenty of family members that have one "do everything" car. Every year, every one of them take plenty of trips that would require them to refuel on the go. Their single car needs to meet that need without being "a burden".

Like anything else, it's the last 10% of use cases that require 90% of the work to resolve.

So why do EVs need to lug around 200+ mile battery packs again? Seems like 50-100 mile packs would work out fine and be more efficient in the long run.

That sucks.

Yes, yes it does. I live in the middle of CT and I have to drive White Plains, NY for most of my jet trips. Only good news is often times I'm gone for days. They don't have EV charging stations on the private side of the airport though. BRZ is a great car for me though because it's highly maneuverable and NYC traffic is free-for-all, lol.

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There are chargers and Superchargers for trips, or yes, someone could use someone else's car if that didn’t meet their needs. We are a two car family, but my uncle, as an example, has three teenage kids, so they are a five car family, so someone could own the gas car, and the rest could own electric. We borrowed my dad’s truck to go to the snow before we got the Q5. The BRZ doesn’t work for Home Depot trips or for camping or for Tahoe trips. Similarly, current electric might not meet the needs of everyone and for every situation. If vehicles needed to be everything then the Miata or BRZ wouldn’t exist. Again, no one is claiming the EV would be perfect in every situation or the most convenient in every situation.

Yes, at this time you are not an ideal candidate for an EV.

The GM EV1 had 60 miles of range. It worked as a primary vehicle or secondary household vehicle quite well for its owners.

The larger batteries provide more range to reduce range anxiety and to be there when owners need more range, and they help with performance. They probably help with recharging speeds too.

Chargers and Superchargers for trips longer than the range of the car are a serious compromise now. They will be less so over time, and eventually may not be one at all. That's a long way down the electric highway though.

You and I are talking circles around the same argument, but in general we agree. EVs work for some, work with compromise for others, and for some its not an answer to anything at all.

There are EV-Nuts though that think everyone that isn't buying an EV right now are just being stupid and want to kill the planet. EVs, with existing battery tech, will never be as ubiquitous as ICE however.

Range anxiety mostly. I have an 80 mile a day round trip commute. I would not do it in a car that did not have at least a 160 mile range, assuming I couldn't plug in at work. If I had a 20 mile round trip commute every day I would do it in a 50 mile range car, but what percentage of the population really have a 10 mile or less drive to work?

It looks much better with the blacked out grill.

Agreed. The all black model could look good.

From the Configurator... The standard edition, and the GT (has patterned grill)

Yea that top one is nice. It would be interesting to see what it would look like if the grill was flat black.

I'm sure there will be aftermarket options for that if these sell in any level of quantity.

I just realized the premium models apparently come with a glass roof, and from what I can tell no option for a delete on that. I know a lot of folks like it, but personally not a fan...

Skipping over the whole Mustang name, this does look like a pretty good offering for someone looking for an EV. I know that my work commute is only 30 km a day round trip, so that is not too bad. That 459 hp and mid 3 sec 0-60 time can be impressive too.

What I want to know is many miles does a 3 second 0-60 cost you out of the range...

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Well if you look at the Model S, the calculations in this article say you can do 170 quarter mile races on a full battery, when you take into account power braking regenerating a good portion of the power used.

So, doesn't sound like one pull uses a significant portion of your available mileage.

So 42.5 miles at full retard... that's actually not terrible.

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Supposedly if you put it in "Ludicrious Mode" and drive it at full speed (155MPH), you can go about 140 miles.

On a Road course, you might get a little further since there would be some regenerative braking, and slower speeds.

By the way, I'm guessing suddenly the Mach-E doesn't seem so bad to a lot of folks thanks to Tesla.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1574432504

"Ford has put out one ugly EV."


Musk: Hold my White Claw.

Any constant speed (even if fast) is better than constant acceleration. Although I guess regenerative braking helps reduce that.

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Im becoming more convinced that this truck is purely a strategic move. The goal was probably to keep it as cheap and rugged as possible, so the cyberpunk theme is just a facade. Luxury trucks like the Cadillac truck just haven’t sold well, and many trucks are purchased for work environments. Maybe this is a strategic gamble to make a utility truck for construction sites that will survive the environment, or maybe it will appeal to doomsdayers. Let Rivian grow and do something ugly but functional? Whatcha think?

At least the Tesla is functional

Not sure I agree with the Luxury truck thing. I know a lot of people that own trucks that cost more than the Cybertruck and are plenty luxurious even though they are used for work. I think people just want a truck to have a truck image. Cadillac and trucks (or Lincoln and trucks) don't go together.

As I said in my post in the Cybertruck thread, I sort of like it, and think it is potentially the best value proposition in the Tesla line-up.

I'm going with @Tcoat's recommended stealth fighter motif.

The truck image is 50% of the purpose of buying a truck. The Tesla image is 50% of buying a Tesla. Just different audiences. So this has little to no truck image and a lot of Tesla image, but it's an ugly image.

The Mach-E doesn't scream Mustang. It screams crossover. However, I don't get the appeal of a coupe crossover. It's more practical than a coupe and less practical than a sedan! Wut?

How actual sales will go, I do not know. I expect not to get either.

I could possibly go for a Mustang shooting brake.
The current one is not that though.

I like the way the Mustang looks. It reminds me of a hatchback and that's the way car looks are going.

The tesla looks like it belongs in a bad back to the future parody. And compare the actual "events." Ford knows what they are doing, Elon is a moron wannabe.

As a toy I don't want either. I want a motorcycle engined hybrid that can rev to 13k+ with enough of a battery to simulate ludicrous mode but still be about 2500 pounds or less.

As an only car both are useless, because these ev's losers fail to get Americans would rather fight to the death than let some weenie dictate what they "should need." They are going to buy a car for the weekend vacation to the beach, not the daily drive. Unless that daily drive car is only a few thousand dollars.

Toyota isn't touching all electric until they perfect solid state batteries, which they are putting every penny they can find into, because apparently they believe less than 15 minute charge times and much lighter weight is what consumers actually want. And people will actually buy vehicles they want.

Who would have thought people will not waste money on vehicles they don't want? Why does that only surprise ev losers?

Looks like Ford has "sold out" the Mach-E First Edition reservations, although they aren't saying how many that is. You can no longer pick it on the configurator/reservations page.

Of course, Ford isn't saying how many that was so, as the article points out, it could be 1 or 100,000.

Does Chevy always copy Ford? Maybe it just seems that way.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mot...rendering/amp/

https://cdn-motor1-com.cdn.ampprojec...-rendering.jpg

Engage @Tcoat mode...

This is nothing but this one writer asking the question "so should Chevy do the same thing Ford is doing, giving the dwindling sales of the Camaro and rumors of it's demise?". There is nothing about this that is official.

Turn off @Tcoat mode....

Also, that rendering barely looks like a Camaro. It's more just a "Chevy design language rendering" than a "Camaro as a SUV" rendering. The upcoming 2021 Suburban looks more like a Camaro than this does.

So, it's official, even Ford doesn't think the Mach E is a "Mustang" at least if you look at their official Mustang page. You have to go to the "Electrified" page to find the Mach E.

My local Ford dealer has a Mach E in stock. I'm tempted to see if I can get a test drive.