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tranzformer 04-13-2011 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by dominican (Post 33628)
Look, I hate the Scion brand as much as the next guy, but that's only because I don't like any of their cars, and most of the people I meet that drive Scion Tcs are douchebags and bitches, but thats's just an observation.

If this comes out with all the right things, I really don't care what they call it. Here's an example.

Let's say this was 1999, and honda was going to bring out the S2000. In JDM land, it would be called, S2000, in USDM land, they decided to make it an acura and call it, oh IDK, the Acura XXSTIGSXR. Would you think worse of the S2000? How about if they decided to let suzuki bring it over for some reason, and Suzuki calls it the Aveo Plus? Any difference? I didn't think so.

If the car comes out, and it is awesome, a little bit of packaging and option difference is not going to put me off. Also, I read somewhere that Scion dealers are some of the best in the country, but what do I know....

So once again, I say, calm the fuck down people, wait for it to come out, if it's awesome, line up to buy it, after me, and if they call it the Scion stinkbugger, debadge it, or rebadge it and call it the JDM name, or Euro name, or just call it bob. Who cares, I'm a driving/car enthusiast, not a name enthusiast.
Dude are you trying to equate Acura with Scion????? Seriously? :laughabove:

Archer256 04-13-2011 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by tranzformer (Post 33639)
Dude are you trying to equate Acura with Scion????? Seriously? :laughabove:
He isnt the point of the story is that it's just a badge. And how it makes no difference in the car.

I am of the same, a badge is a badge the engine and performance are all the same. My only problem is the interior might be compromised now.

Toyota4Life 04-13-2011 04:54 PM
Attention everyone:

Bombard Toyota's Facebook with posts exclaiming how you don't like this decision. Write letters to Toyota USA, Jim Lentz, any of the execs. It's a long shot, but we need to at least let the idiots know they're making a huge mistake, because lord knows when executive egos get in the way, they don't know what harm they cause.

Be constructive, but make the point known: NO SCION, or NO SALES.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/toyota

andygee 04-13-2011 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by dominican (Post 33628)
So once again, I say, calm the fuck down people, wait for it to come out, if it's awesome, line up to buy it, after me, and if they call it the Scion stinkbugger, debadge it, or rebadge it and call it the JDM name, or Euro name, or just call it bob. Who cares, I'm a driving/car enthusiast, not a name enthusiast.


VERY WELL PUT! you ppl need to call down lol

CyberFormula 04-13-2011 04:55 PM
Let the Rebadging begin.....:)


I may be ignorant because I don't know much about scion.

But I get the imagery that this car would be nice and cheap and beatable!!:clap:

Zaku 04-13-2011 04:55 PM
Honestly I don't have a alot of money.... I wouldn't mind the Scion ;/ that's might just be me thought

mkxr 04-13-2011 04:56 PM
When I bought my ITR years ago, I couldn't care less that it was badged as Acura instead of Honda. It actually was a good thing for several reasons, it had better/longer warranty, slightly lower insurance rates (until they became the most stolen car).
In this case, if this comes out as a Scion, it may be a bad thing actually. Scion brand does target younger drivers, college students, chic crowd. With that in mind, the FT-S may be loaded with a bunch of useless junk, 'hip' styling accents, which in the end will add to the weight, and take away from the feel that this car should have.

CyberFormula 04-13-2011 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Archer256 (Post 33640)
He isnt the point of the story is that it's just a badge. And how it makes no difference in the car.

I am of the same, a badge is a badge the engine and performance are all the same. My only problem is the interior might be compromised now.

if the interior is compromised...the rest of the world's interior would also be compromised...

Toyota4Life 04-13-2011 04:57 PM
Simply rebadging the car is not an option people. It will still be sold as a Scion, known as a Scion by the public, and be on Scion's website. Changing the badges on your one car does nothing. The car needs to be a Toyota offically. Help fight the cause.

dominican 04-13-2011 04:58 PM
wait, so just because it's a scion everyone is in uproar? have you seen the Corolla interior? How bout a Yaris? Those things are penalty boxes!! I thought the TC interior was palpable, not as good as my Prelude's interior, but my Prelude had a 30k dollar sticker price when new, and that was with 1998 US dollars! Common people, this is not a big deal, you expected this to have a cheap ish and light interior, and if you hate Scion as much as I do....


REBADGE!


oy....

s2upid 04-13-2011 04:59 PM
throw in some aftermarket recaro bucket seats and im GOLDEN. everyone is getting so uppity pfft. i'll change the scion emblem to a toyota one too because it'll look nicer :).. take one in black please. thanks.

hogge 04-13-2011 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by tranzformer (Post 33541)
Just fixed pricing, lack of factory installed options and dealer markup on dealer installed options. Plus the name/badge of Scion is less inspiring than Toyota which has history and passion behind it (at least it use to).
Here in Sweden, it's quite uncommon for anyone to be able to haggle when it comes to a brand new car. Like with Scion in the US, Swedish car retailers have fixed prices, but are willing to throw in a few extras (winter tires most commonly). Fixed prices is a good thing if the prices are fairly low to start off with.

And to be honest, Toyotas history pretty much got washed away when they killed off the Celica, MR2 and Supra and at the same time made the Corola hideously ugly.

Giccin 04-13-2011 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Toyota4Life (Post 33641)
Attention everyone:

Bombard Toyota's Facebook with posts exclaiming how you don't like this decision. Write letters to Toyota USA, Jim Lentz, any of the execs. It's a long shot, but we need to at least let the idiots know they're making a huge mistake, because lord knows when executive egos get in the way, they don't know what harm they cause.

Be constructive, but make the point known: NO SCION, or NO SALES.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/toyota
I don't think toyota USA has a big say on what car the will be badged as, but.. its worth a try.

Matador 04-13-2011 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by dominican (Post 33629)
Did you expect premium leather seats and soft touch everything at this weight and pricepoint? I don't think so....
No, but it would be nice if you could have the OPTION.

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Originally Posted by Zaku (Post 33608)
Could be a baby FT with two seats, don't pass judgments everyone till you seen it and know it. It might not be as bad as we enthusiast think, heck hate it much? ripp the scion badge out and put on a Toyota. And Also it's not a ricer thing to do it's what more of what a purist do because the definition of being purist is to keep the car as close to it's Japanese counter part as possible.

Scion> Toyota ok

GTR>Scion Not ok


btw... it's RED O___O
It's ****not**** about the little piece of plastic that is on the nose of the car. Heck, it's not even about the stigma attached to the brand name. It's about the thought process that went on behind the scene that said "hey, let's bring this to the US as a Scion". If you think about what went on to arrive at that decision... nay, if you consider why it even crossed their mind, it is a worrying thing. Deeply disturbing. Doesn't say much for Toyota. At all.

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Originally Posted by Archer256 (Post 33640)
He isnt the point of the story is that it's just a badge. And how it makes no difference in the car.

I am of the same, a badge is a badge the engine and performance are all the same. My only problem is the interior might be compromised now.
One might get the same car now, but that all you'll get.

dominican 04-13-2011 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Toyota4Life (Post 33647)
Simply rebadging the car is not an option people. It will still be sold as a Scion, known as a Scion by the public, and be on Scion's website. Changing the badges on your one car does nothing. The car needs to be a Toyota offically. Help fight the cause.
If anything, this car should help bring out the Scion brand as something other than a poser mobile. And I mean, look at the original FT concept, even that looks like it was meant for younger guys, and not meant for those looking for a luxo coupe. Scion supposed to embody that, and that's ok

Sure we get the annoyence of having to rebadge, but it's not that hard, and I think it's better that I don't have to look at all the beige toyota has to offer when I'm trying to get my boxer engined car.

ollin 04-13-2011 05:05 PM
I know what the real problem is and i am going to just say it. Every one sees scion drivers as pimple faced teens who don't know how to drive. while this is not true this is how the world sees them. No one wants to be seen that way or as the guy trying to recap his youth with a rice burner. Since i am 23 I don't care. The only thing that i do care about is the difference in insurance price because the company sees the drivers as 17 year old pimple faced Micheal Schumacher wannabe.

Archer256 04-13-2011 05:06 PM
maybe itll get a special scion badge...i wouldnt mind that the scion emblem is decent except the scion emblazoned on it

cyde01 04-13-2011 05:07 PM
yaaay it's a scion. -_-

seriously after all the rumors, i can't say that i'm surprised. i hope they reveal a close-to-production interior in ny so we can confirm whether it will get the cheap scion treatment or not. luckily we have the subaru to pin our hopes on if the scion is a let down.

dominican 04-13-2011 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ollin (Post 33655)
I know what the real problem is and i am going to just say it. Every one sees scion drivers as pimple faced teens who don't know how to drive. while this is not true this is how the world sees them. No one wants to be seen that way or as the guy trying to recap his youth with a rice burner. Since i am 23 I don't care. The only thing that i do care about is the difference in insurance price because the company sees the drivers as 17 year old pimple faced Micheal Schumacher wannabe.
badge it all you want, insurance companies aren't stupid, and will charge the same regardless of what it is badged.

Ae86 04-13-2011 05:09 PM
why does every one hate scion if we all fall under toyota nation
what the big deal
like Acura and Honda
like nissan and Infiniti
like VW and Audi
Lexus and toyota, scion

Archer256 04-13-2011 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Ae86 (Post 33661)
why does every one hate scion if we all fall under toyota nation
what the big deal
like Acura and Honda
like nissan and Infiniti
like VW and Audi
Lexus and toyota, scion
you might as well ask for world peace.

Random_Art 04-13-2011 05:14 PM
This thread just keeps getting funnier. Everyone just needs to chill. Seriously.


Chill

out.

Toyota4Life 04-13-2011 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Ae86 (Post 33661)
why does every one hate scion if we all fall under toyota nation
what the big deal
like Acura and Honda
like nissan and Infiniti
like VW and Audi
Lexus and toyota, scion
Because this is a TOYOTA sports car. Gee, how do you think it would've gone if GM had revived the Camaro and given it to Saturn? Do you think they would be OK with that? Because they sure as fuck wouldn't.

How come Government Motors can bring back the Camaro, yet us Toyota enthusiasts can't have the Celica, MR2, or Supra back? How come this car, which is basically a Celica, can't be called Celica? How come Toyota's heritage is being thrown away for some shitty (yes SHITTY) upstart brand that isn't even available in all markets? How come Toyota can't throw us long time fans a bone and revive something that us old timers will like and new enthuisasts will, too? How come we have to be stuck with some lame-ass alpha-numerically named bullshit car sold under a brand that is known for selling boxes to old people and idiot ricers who think their shit don't stink? What the hell is in it for us?


All of you who don't see the problem in this need to wake up. You think you'll ever get the Supra back with this mentality running Toyota today? Well, I have a gold toilet to sell you if you think that's the case. Today's news couldn't get me more infuriated.

ollin 04-13-2011 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by dominican (Post 33658)
badge it all you want, insurance companies aren't stupid, and will charge the same regardless of what it is badged.

true but the demo for scion has higher insurance prices, the two companies maybe the same have different images in the eyes of the people and insurance companies

Archer256 04-13-2011 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Toyota4Life (Post 33668)
Because this is a TOYOTA sports car. Gee, how do you think it would've gone if GM had revived the Camaro and given it to Saturn? Do you think they would be OK with that? Because they sure as fuck wouldn't.

How come Government Motors can bring back the Camaro, yet us Toyota enthusiasts can't have the Celica, MR2, or Supra back? How come this car, which is basically a Celica, can't be called Celica? How come Toyota's heritage is being thrown away for some shitty (yes SHITTY) upstart brand that isn't even available in all markets? How come Toyota can't throw us long time fans a bone and revive something that us old timers will like and new enthuisasts will, too? How come we have to be stuck with some lame-ass alpha-numerically named bullshit car sold under a brand that is known for selling boxes to old people and idiot ricers who think their shit don't stink? What the hell is in it for us?


All of you who don't see the problem in this need to wake up. You think you'll ever get the Supra back with this mentality running Toyota today? Well, I have a gold toilet to sell you if you think that's the case. Today's news couldn't get me more infuriated.
im going to give you a heads up: If there is ever a new Supra, it'll be a Lexus.

Giccin 04-13-2011 05:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ae86 (Post 33661)
why does every one hate scion if we all fall under toyota nation
what the big deal
like Acura and Honda
like nissan and Infiniti
like VW and Audi
Lexus and toyota, scion
I don't think you understand the srsnss of this! :P

Quote:
Originally Posted by Random_Art (Post 33667)
This thread just keeps getting funnier. Everyone just needs to chill. Seriously.


Chill

out.
Most members here waited for this car to be a Toyota, and of course with all of the anticipation and teaser pictures of this car being a Toyota--the ft-86 is now marked as a scion at the NY Autoshow.

Of course thats going to get a lot of people riled up.

Matador 04-13-2011 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Giccin (Post 33674)
I don't think you understand the srsnss of this! :P

http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/upl...business02.jpg

Giccin 04-13-2011 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1 (Post 33676)
+1
I like that. I'm going to steal the picture now. :bonk:

Aki 04-13-2011 05:44 PM
I dunno why ppl are so aghast, it'd be more surprising if it wasn't a Scion. The brand wasn't going away, and the car fits the demographic, hate it as you may.

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Originally Posted by ollin (Post 33669)
true but the demo for scion has higher insurance prices, the two companies maybe the same have different images in the eyes of the people and insurance companies
Premium prices are based on the individual models, not necessarily the overall brand. Insurance don't charge based on "image," they do it based on previous history of accidents with a given nameplate (or close equivalent), its demographic distribution, number of claims and amount per policy, repair costs, etc. They don't go "hmm Scion sounds like a young brand" and arbitrarily slap a high premium on it.

ollin 04-13-2011 05:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aki (Post 33683)
I dunno why ppl are so aghast, it'd be more surprising if it wasn't a Scion. The brand wasn't going away, and the car fits the demographic, hate it as you may.



Premium prices are based on the individual models, not necessarily the overall brand. Insurance don't charge based on "image," they do it based on previous history of accidents with a given nameplate (or close equivalent), its demographic distribution, number of claims and amount per policy, repair costs, etc. They don't go "hmm Scion sounds like a young brand" and arbitrarily slap a high premium on it.
A majority is based on on driver but brand and model does factor just the deference between luxury sport and sport luxury.

-TokenSX- 04-13-2011 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ollin (Post 33686)
A majority is based on on driver but brand and model does factor just the deference between luxury sport and sport luxury.
Haha yep your right ollin just like just like what giccin said nissan and infiniti, same motor but diff body style :happyanim:

Zaku 04-13-2011 06:02 PM
Is it even confirmed as a FT86 Variant? some part of me is still making the argument that this is a sub FT. Sure they share looks n stuff. anyways lets speculate some price point? how much more will this sit above the TC?

Also I don't seem to have a problem with it. honestly it's expected this maybe Scion's only saving grace. Btw there's a Subaru version go get that one instead.

Macavely 04-13-2011 06:02 PM
Hello everyone.. I'm new to this site. but not to cars or Toyota/Scion ...

I can see why Toyota is dropping this as a Scion... It doesn't have the heart of a Toyota... it will have a Boxer engine..... Toyota has made some great 4bangers in its history. 4A-GE, 4A-GZE, 3S-GE, 3S-GTE,... and not having this, what looks to be what might be a great chaise, why would you want a Toyota emblem when it doesn't have a Toyota Motor since they are called Toyota Motor Corp.

C-Bone 04-13-2011 06:05 PM
Wow I dont think I've ever seen a thread go up to 8 pages so fast other than maybe the MkII concept pics thread, I couldnt get through a page on my phone without 1 or 2 more popping up lol... So now I'm home and have caught up, there is wayyy too much tension in here; time to simma down now, simma down...

ryun84 04-13-2011 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Zaku (Post 33692)
Btw there's a Subaru version go get that one instead.
Doesn't matter. Toyota enthusiasts wanted/want a Toyota. Simple as that. Maybe they will buy the Subaru, but it won't stop the rants in the meantime.

Dark 04-13-2011 06:07 PM
No offend guys, but only people agree to put the car in Scion brand drive either Civic or tC... WTF?

Zaku 04-13-2011 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Dark (Post 33696)
No offend guys, but only people agree to put the car in Scion brand drive either Civic or tC... WTF?
oh now that's just starting shit > :(

nightblade 04-13-2011 06:08 PM
if i bought this i'd have to rebadge it myself. just a quick trip to the swap meet

serialk11r 04-13-2011 06:09 PM
lololol when I saw the main page I was like, oh god there is probably a riot going on...yup.

While I agree it's weird that they'd be going with a Scion badge, companies in general do weird things sometimes.
Maybe they're trying to preserve a "green" image for the Toyota brand (bit ironic because this car is so small and probably pretty good on fuel, but I suppose performance and "green" don't go together in people's minds).

ryun84 04-13-2011 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Dark (Post 33696)
No offend guys, but only people agree to put the car in Scion brand drive either Civic or tC... WTF?
No offense taken but I don't agree with what you said. There aren't people "agreeing to put the car in the Scion brand". There are just people who don't care what brand it comes in. That doesn't mean they WANT it branded as a Scion. Of course, if some of those people think they could save some money if it were badged as a Scion, they might like the idea.


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