Originally Posted by Tromatic (Post 2327978)

I'd make damn sure I knew about what other mods have been done to that car. I'd be highly suspicious of the previous owner after seeing the "T" on that car. Do they have maintenance records for the car? I'd have the dealer check for a tune as well.

Originally Posted by lupindub (Post 2328153)

As far as I can tell from the CarFax, no mods have been done to it. Besides the Toyota Badge. It is also a Scion (Toyota) CPO. I don't think Toyota would CPO a modded car. Just sayin'. You never know though. I will definitely ask the dealer though.

http://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistory...ZNAA12D2724925

Originally Posted by Packofcrows (Post 2328188)

Id do compression test, look at all fluids cold and then drive it and test when hot. Lift it up and look for holes or cracks that could have been left by mods. Red line that smabtch a few times to test out for noises. Not abuse, just check it out under stress.

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2328197)

Ya because everybody has the equipment to do compression tests and lift it. And listening for noises on these things means nobody would ever buy one even new.

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2327583)

Hoooray, I have support on my long standing statement!

Originally Posted by SisterBlue22 (Post 2328211)

Ask me what I do for a living. Go ahead... :)

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2328225)

UMMMMM sales maybe?
My wife is the Financing Manager for an RV dealership and comes home with stories every day about some costumer or other that wanted a $50K unit for $20K because they are "ripping people off". In fact they make about $2K mark up but people just won't believe them.
Same thing applies to cars. Since they cost so much people think there is massive mark up so the dealer should give them huge discounts.

Originally Posted by FR-Shred (Post 2327911)

Dont do this. If the price is right and the interest and terms are right the payments will be right.
Cause they can get you $350 monthly but you are paying for something like 8 years and still over paying for the car. Salesman always say "what payments were you looking at?" and "what if we can lower the payments by $xxx a month?"
The only way to have a lower payment is.. 1. lower the price of the car (which doesn't change the payments a lot unless its a huge drop in price / downpayment) 2. lower the interest rate. 3. increase the payment term (more years). So haggling over the payments is the assbackwards way to negotiate the price of a car.

You should look at the price and the interest outside that its just simple math to come up with payment cost. You first work on the cars price (if you want to haggle) and then you see what interest you're getting. If the price is fair and your interest rate/terms is good.. your payment will be good.

EDIT: The monthly payment is really the least important part of buying a car. Its the easy way to trick people into buying cars which is why dealers use it in negotiating. "we can get you driving out of here at only $325 a month" but they arent telling you the length of the loan or interest rate.