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OkieSnuffBox 05-29-2015 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 2266101)
But what you get after the first lap is still an unknown.
-alex


That's a fair point. I guess in my case, they limit on track sessions to 20 cars, so in a Miata with R-comps on a track you know well?


I basically came out of the pits at 9.5/10ths and would generally get 2-3 clean laps, then the stragglers at the back were typically easy to get around.


Don't have any of my old time sheets anymore, but usually only 1 lap out of a 7-8 lap session would I really get held up, and very rarely pull into the hot pits to get some space from someone being a jacka**.

raul 05-29-2015 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 2265661)
Beginners are taught to hold their line. True advanced drivers in a hot lapping session will be predictable, and do whatever it takes to make an easier pass.

If I'm cooling down, I will be watching my mirrors and adjusting my own pace to make sure I am off-line anytime someone needs to fly by me, or pick up my pace to not be in their way, until I can facilitate a pass.


It's similar to how beginners are taught that smooth is fast, but experienced drivers are anything but when driving at qualifying pace.

Or how beginners are taught two feet in...
I'd honestly always prefer they hold their line because if there's anyone in the advanced group practicing race situation passing, it kind of defeats the purpose. That's why NASA has 2 advanced groups. One for advanced HPDE folks who want to pass without point bys, and one for racers and time trialers to practice. The two differences between those groups really should be pace and etiquette. No one in HPDE-4 should be making room to pass on the inside like that. That's HPDE-3 stuff.

raul 05-29-2015 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Deep Six (Post 2266066)
Don't think so �� but our cars do look alike!
I think it is because of the big white number panel. How does your number panel look? And yeah, it's hard to tell since we both have bronze wheels lol. Do you have TOM's tail lights as well? I forget.

AyJay 05-29-2015 10:10 AM
I feel like many of the Spec Miata drivers around here are famous for this on the straights. Why give up the line if you are just going to drag race me to the next corner??

shifter907 05-29-2015 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by daiheadjai (Post 2264224)
I love how you "reached out" to the Vette during that straight....
I kept singing "Baby, come back" in my head lol

FRSBRZGT86FAN 05-29-2015 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by drewbot (Post 2263814)
Lol wasn't expecting that then saw the snap oversteer and was like alright I guess he'll let him by now

Lawn_Mower 05-29-2015 10:58 AM
I had several instances where I was waiting a long time for a point by at the last event I went to. NASA HPDE > SCCA PDX. The PDX seemed super disorganized, and very lax on all the typical rules and etiquette. If it wasn't so inexpensive, I'm not sure I'd do one again. I'll have to try and put together a video of the bad point bys lol.

OkieSnuffBox 05-29-2015 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by raul (Post 2266564)
I'd honestly always prefer they hold their line because if there's anyone in the advanced group practicing race situation passing, it kind of defeats the purpose. That's why NASA has 2 advanced groups. One for advanced HPDE folks who want to pass without point bys, and one for racers and time trialers to practice. The two differences between those groups really should be pace and etiquette. No one in HPDE-4 should be making room to pass on the inside like that. That's HPDE-3 stuff.


This is what I've always been taught as well.


Hold your line, it's up to the passing driver to make a clean, safe pass. If you're expecting someone to stay on-line and you're going to go around them and then they go and change it last second (which I've had happen before) it can get really dicey, very quickly.

wparsons 05-29-2015 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox (Post 2266661)
This is what I've always been taught as well.


Hold your line, it's up to the passing driver to make a clean, safe pass. If you're expecting someone to stay on-line and you're going to go around them and then they go and change it last second (which I've had happen before) it can get really dicey, very quickly.
That's what we teach up here too. Car being passed holds their line, car passing goes inside (based on the next corner).

Tt3Sheppard 05-29-2015 01:27 PM
Eh this is why I just pit in then you get the whole track to yourself :)

yonson 06-03-2015 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox (Post 2265085)
I would always be the first to grid to give myself maximum open track in front of me.


The last track day I did, I continually started last because a buddy and me were sharing the car for the day, so I didn't have a choice. And typically this group was going out in the same order.


Every session I caught the next two guys before the end of the first lap...........1.8 mile 10 turn track........in a 1.6 Miata.


Always be first to grid unless you're slow.
:rofl: I'm slow...

Skurj 06-03-2015 11:14 PM
Ahh.. I wish I was the one complaining about bad point by's at laguna seca..


Its on the bucket list!

mav1178 06-03-2015 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Skurj (Post 2273889)
Its on the bucket list!
My bucket list:

http://news.boldride.com/wp-content/...-2028x1428.jpg

-alex

gramicci101 06-03-2015 11:41 PM
Wow, are all those tracks on the same scale? I had no idea the Isle of Man course was that big.


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