Good article, pretty much what we already knew long ago though. It confirms everything I said which is why I said it.

The heart of the car is a Subaru engine, Toyota provided the D4S(direct injection system), just like I said. I actually mentioned more Toyota involvement than the article did by including the HPFP.

Toyota told Subaru what they wanted. Subaru engineers, not Toyota engineers, were the ones doing the engineering. The articles mentioning of Toyota engineers was in regards to convincing Toyota board of directors to let them use specific parts(again, the D4S).

In the previous article I read that told us most of this info it mentioned Toyota engineers working WITH the Subaru guys...but it was still Subaru doing the actual engineering and construction using their methods and factories. I'm not trying to diminish Toyotas involvement, but I'm not going to give them more credit than is due either. It was thought up by Toyota, it was built by Subaru.

The cake is not a lie.

I owned a tC for 8 years and was extremely happy with it and the Scion brand as a whole. I am glad to own another.

Scion has done for Toyota what it desperately needed: fun, interesting, exiting cars for people who associate "Toyota" with boring, gas-efficient, compacts and mid-size sedans. The FR-S fits in perfectly with that.

I debaged my car so I tell people its a Toyota Scion Frs plus that what it says on my paper work lol

Thought it was a Hynudai

I embrace the Scion no need to argue over who built it. If it came with a Chevy emblem I would have still bought it. I noticed the Geo Metro globe badges would fit almost perfect for those that really want to mess with people asking what it is.

someone asked if my car was a scion yeah

but to his credit it was far away

Well if we factor in Toyota's controlling stake in FHI Then really...it doesn't change a damn thing. Scion only exists in the US just because we are obsessed with labels and brands. Toyota is too econobox stigma'd to reach out to youth for marketing purposes. Lexus, Infinity, Acura? What's the point. The car is the same and who cares what it says; n the damn badge or logo.

id like to see the article that says that toyota engineers did not engineer this car.

cars are more like buildings than cake. do you credit construction workers or the architect responsible for buildings such as the sydney opera house? hell its usually a machine that builds the parts. lets give the company who built those machines the credit.

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If this become Subaru vs Toyota AGAIN, I'll lock ASAP

They BOTH engineered it, let's end this Subaru vs Toyota pointless argument.

... not going to say anything since its been disputed.

I would have bought this car if it said LADA, or even YUGO on the back. It is a light weight affordable Rear Wheel Drive coupe that's a blast to drive, and I've been waiting a long time for someone -ANYONE- to build a car like this. Personally, I couldn't give a rat's backside who fronted the cash, or who told whom to do what...we're all lucky that someone finally nutted up and built it.

Sorry to the OP, that wasn't directed at you.

i call it an 86 every time and never say anything again after that

Lol I know.