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nrclptcnsmniak 11-27-2012 05:26 PM

Im tired of these threads with no video to show anything. :thumbdown::thumbdown:

ScionRacer 11-27-2012 05:28 PM

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...I thought Toyota/Subaru said there's no space??...lol
That is because Toyota and subaru actually engineer and rigorously test products.Whether its a supercharger or turbocharger,they need to make sure it will endure a 150-200k possible lifespan.The engineers at Toyota and Subaru ask themselves "what are the conditions this unit might have to operate under and what effect will it have on the other components.

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It's amusing that almost every speedshop who has made a kit so far has a similar experience.

"Alright boys, we'll need to find a place to put thi- Oh there's already a perfectly sized space for it? What about the pipi- oh it's clear exactly where it needs to go? Cool."
These aftermarket guys just find a place to stick it and thats it. They could care less if it lasts 10k miles or kills engine longevity for the long run. Im sure there are a lot of things they don't consider or plan on being problematic.Think they get 100k miles out of a supercharger before they try to "sell it" to the public?

The most i have ever gotten out of a paxton or vortech on previous daily drivers (mustangs)was 8-10k miles before bearings worn out.I changed my oil often,but it did not matter.

Centrifugal superchargers = junk.

DantKR 11-27-2012 06:24 PM

Those stripes and that exhaust look fkn horrible.

2point0 11-27-2012 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by tjoy (Post 577619)
I have zero comments about the super/performance.

What I do have to say is, with so much flamboyant and overly futuristic modification (giant wings, etc) being done (which I am not a fan of), it is nice to see such a classy car for a change. Blue with grey rally stripes. I didn't think rally stripes would look good on these cars, but this has softened that impression.

The stripes along the side are particularly nice.

I agree. I was wondering how Le Mans stripes would look on this car and now I know! I think it looks great, although I do feel they should flow down the back of the trunk.

At first glance, I thought it was a Mustang (no this is not a bad thing). Partly due to the rocker stripes, I guess. Not many 'Stangs on TE37s though!

To comment on the performance, I think what he meant by the low end feeling like stock is that it isn't a sudden rush of power. The linearity is what "feels" stock-like, which makes sense.

Giccin 11-27-2012 07:30 PM

A turtle shell for what seems like to be an air filter. lol

shu5892001 11-27-2012 08:20 PM

anyone know what size are the TE37S? lol

Grip Ronin 11-27-2012 10:24 PM

300whp required to be worth that price. maybe ill have higher hopes for vortech

Snoopyalien24 11-28-2012 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by WingsofWar (Post 577847)
Funny I think properly sized turbos give better economy than sc. Most particularly in a small gas engines that struggle to make torque. Considering you are effectively slowing down crank speeds to run the compressor. A complete opposite with larger engines that produce good torque at no load. Mpg improve with larger engines.

What do you prefer WoW? I thing for these smaller cars, the Turbo seems to be doing more, but lots more things to install. The SC is less parts, but doing a little less.. But what do I know? I'm a noob

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Originally Posted by Giccin (Post 578071)
A turtle shell for what seems like to be an air filter. lol

TMNT! They're ninjas!

*KID* 11-28-2012 01:06 AM

I like the drop and the wheels the most...

IMO the kit is not and has not been too apealing to me, Id settle for the AVO or Vortec kit anytime.

WingsofWar 11-28-2012 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Snoopyalien24 (Post 578725)
What do you prefer WoW? I thing for these smaller cars, the Turbo seems to be doing more, but lots more things to install. The SC is less parts, but doing a little less.. But what do I know? I'm a noob

Hmmm if it was a track toy id go with a supercharger, theres benefit to having the powerband up high for HPDE especially in a well balanced car. I believe base on my own driving style, id make better lap times if my only focus was how fast i can enter a corner, vs how fast i can get back on boost without loading up the tires to exit a corner.

If i needed power for daily use and general overall performance, id go with a turbocharger. Foot-to-pedal is magical on a turbo car, and once boost hits its a wonderland of just outright speed, which the brz does sorely lack.

IRL, id probably go with a turbo. because i doubt ill end up using it as a dedicated track toy since i already have my rx7 that fills that spot.

MattQ-WP 11-28-2012 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by PMok (Post 577593)
maybe I'm in the minority on this, but I would prefer a SC/turbo kit to provide more low-end oomph even at the expense of peak hp gains... I feel like in the high RPMs power is already good, the weak spot is down low to mid-range.

did anyone notice the picture of their shift knob, has the wrong 6-speed shift pattern? Unless the JDM BRZ has R down by 6... :iono:

Agreed

Coheed 11-28-2012 05:05 AM

Am I the only one that thinks this kit is horribly designed? I mean, look at all the pipes going everywhere. Almost like EVERYTHING was an afterthought once they decided to mount the SC in the middle. I don't like it. i mean, for a homebrew kit it's decent. But for a kit costing 5k? You have to be kidding.

Not impressed with this kit or the power delivery. Not being a hater, but it's just not my cup of tea.

http://image.motortrend.com/f/featur...r-engine-3.jpg

WingsofWar 11-28-2012 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Coheed (Post 578944)
Am I the only one that thinks this kit is horribly designed? I mean, look at all the pipes going everywhere. Almost like EVERYTHING was an afterthought once they decided to mount the SC in the middle. I don't like it. i mean, for a homebrew kit it's decent. But for a kit costing 5k? You have to be kidding.

The biggest reason why the price is higher is due to the fact that the piping is cast. If you don't know about the manufacturing, overhead on cast piping is enormous. Especially compared to mandrel bent or even section welded steel.

As for the design, I agree looks pretty bad. I would have preferred a design that had a shorter intake charge travel. I don't like how there is a direct 90 degree bend only inches away from the throttle plates. I don't particularly like pop charger intakes or generally open element, especially ones without shielding from bay temps.

Moshpit37 11-28-2012 06:18 AM

I completely agree. This is one of the ugliest engine bays I've seen yet. The power gains are not impressive, and definitely way too expensive, regardless of what the pipes are made of. The whole kit just screams fail.


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