Originally Posted by NESW20 (Post 6980)

IIRC, from 7-11 to In-N-Out is 18 or 19 miles. now, it's been a while since i've been out there, but i have a hard time believing the section you ran was a full 12 miles. that's beside the point.

so you're arguing that the proper way to downshift is to DRAG THE REVS UP WITH THE CLUTCH??? that's the most asinine thing i've ever heard. heel toeing has nothing to do with gear ratios. at all.

when using brakes properly (notice i never once said you should be threshold braking at every corner), the driver will not upset the car coming into a corner. i feel sorry for you if you are unable to use brakes without upsetting the car.

sand is definitely an issue, which again, is why i think it's fine not to push hard through a canyon. but to me, it seems like you're trying to make excuses for a lack of driving skill. sand has nothing to do with proper driving technique.

in my car i'm able to turn the wheel roughly 120 degrees in either direction before i need to regrip. that gives me a total of (if you do the math) 240 degrees of wheel angle before regripping. it looked like you maybe turned the wheel that far once or twice.

next time, try to put together a better post that defends what you're doing in the video instead of sitting there calling me names and contradicting yourself. you say you want to be cautious around blind corners and sand (i agree), but then you also say you "don't want to scrub off too much speed." seems to me like you don't know which side of the fence you want to be on.

-Mike

Originally Posted by ronin (Post 6987)

Here's the video again now what clutch draging to keep up the revs ? You don't have a clue as to what you're talkin about.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9NhmUmeDPU

when you downshift, i hear no throttle blip. no blips at 0:18, 0:41, 1:08, i heard a slight blip at 1:23, hit the center line at 2:20, no blip at 2:53, 3:33, 3:54... it's unfortunate that your reading comprehension skills seem to be worse off than your driving skills.

There is a huge difference between scrubin of speed and mantaining a smooth corner entrance and momentium through the turn alowing for a fast and controble exit...as I said before you have no clue how to drive the canyons....

you have no idea how i drive. good job making assumptions though!!! :thumbsup:

You say I have a lack of driving skill ? Take another look at the video and point out the times I cross the center line, better yet point out the times I don't cross the center line.....at speed..:search:...a measured 12 mi. in 8:26 87 mph average.....and that is the point. It takes skill to drive in control at speed....

what was "beside the point" was the distance of the section in the video. maybe what you don't understand is that i have driven that canyon nearly 100 times, in both directions, and my point was that i didn't think that section was 12 miles. if you have evidence to the contrary, i'll happily retract my statement.

if all it takes to have this AWESOME driving skill is the ability to keep the car between lines painted on the road, i'm surrounded by all of the world's most amazing drivers constantly when out on the road. oh, you didn't run into anything either? good job!!!

Heal and toeing is used when braking and downshifting simultaneously (prior to entering a turn), and allows the driver to "blip" the throttle to raise the engine speed and smoothly engage the lower gear so that there is no momentery locking of the drive wheels which could upset the car as it enters the corner.

i know what it is and how to do it properly while threshold braking, but thanks for trying. my MR2 doesn't have ABS, so i actually had to learn to prevent lockup myself.

It has everything to do with gear ratios matching drive wheel speed...:laughabove:... Now point out one time the rear wheels chirp due to improper downshifting....:search:

you stated before that you had "the correct gears for the corners." that's fine, but explain how having the proper gears for the corners precludes you from needing to execute a proper heel-toe downshift coming up to the corner.

I never contradicted myself, you just don't know what you are talkin about and that's how people know it's you speakin like an idiot..
(denoting a person of low intelligence)..:happyanim:

you have no idea what i know, how smart i am, or anything about me. you're the one who joined this forum exclusively to come on here and call me names. that makes you an awesome human being.

Originally Posted by NESW20 (Post 6997)

that's nice. i'm done with this, i have better things to do with my time. enjoy your cars. i hope i never see you drive again.

-Mike

PS - according to google maps, the section you ran in the video was 8.6 miles. so you averaged closer to 63mph. and like i said before, from 7-11 to In-N-Out is just under 18 miles.

Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 7057)

Cat pictures... what would an internet forum be without the sting of cat pictures? :lol:

Anyway, from about 00:45 on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9NhmUmeDPU you guys really consider that "babying"???

Is it considered "babying" until the car goes sideways or something? Then again I'm only a softcore car enthusiast... :lol:

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys (Post 7071)

I've seen crazier canyon videos though.